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The Chazon Ish using New RIshonim Published from Manuscripts
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welcome back Rabbi Dr Eleazar brat it's
a pleasure to be back with you and we
are back to our series on Modern
Kanye
we already did this season six episodes
discussing manuscripts and the
connection through Heim was different
manuscripts that Heim used to use and
have these manuscripts evolved
throughout the generation
we've come to a point now which is the
big discussion in the current or modern
day world
on using manuscripts so that is going to
be today's topic I think Rabbi brought
plans on doing two episodes on this and
once again we would like to thank our
sponsor for the kanyevsky episodes this
whole season two has been dedicated
anonymously by a close friend of Rabbi
Dr
brattach David or the Torah and all the
new knowledge that people get from these
episodes should be a Eloy for shama
um something interesting people
constantly ask you what do you have
going on behind you what are those piles
of books and books and more books and
they get a tiny tiny Glimpse tiny window
into the collection that you have and
you could talk about another time the
addiction that you have to collect in
Spartan
and that's for another session but
perhaps today maybe at the end of the
episode you can like turn around pull
one book out and just like go through
one book no we gotta start with start
somewhere pull out a book and tell the
audience you know open a book and tell
them what this book is what it's about
why you have it you think it's something
that perhaps
is an idea
we'll try maybe we'll we'll randomly
pull out uh wrong we'll do a guy brought
us it for some fun today okay so
everyone stay tuned until the end then
the episode we brought promises
probably nether the pull out a book and
talk about it let's not forget so what
are we talking about today
so we're going to talk about the up till
now we discussed the shito of
um to sum up what we did and what we
will now do is as follows
until now I claimed there's two
approaches approach number one we're
going to call it to make it life simple
the mission of Brewers shita which is to
use new discoveries
and there was another sheeta which we're
going to call it not to use the new
discoveries of the new regime
that's to make life simple in a sentence
so the next few episodes up till now
we um I episode um in the first six
episodes of this season I outlined in
Broad Strokes some of the history of the
publishing and uses of the usage of new
manuscripts I was able to show pretty
much that everyone used them with no
issues not just the mission Brewer
and especially what's important for us
is rukhain kaneevsky appears from all
his writings to collect a mission Brewer
he Embraces everything new madrasium
discoveries we shine discoveries and to
the extent that he even worked on
editing some of these manuscripts for
print
which we spoke about now before we begin
um
I just found
Amish the past few days a sheet a piece
of information relating to this from him
Zimmerman
um who also talks about the usage of
manuscripts and he says I found it very
interesting I'm not going to read the
whole passage it's uh it's over two
pages but he says like this
when a new manuscript of a safer of
evolution is discovered a new universe
of Terror comes into being
then he refers to another book of his
and he says basically as much as
revealed to a generation so much so that
much has to be revealed today he says
we're in this man
so although no theoretical concepts of
the science of development many
technological discoveries are developed
every day so entire for the last 50
years they were discovered many
manuscripts of the Russian
their Discovery is parallel and
proportional to Modern technological
discoveries in physical world this is
the real reason why so many manuscripts
were discovered and restored in this
generation never was there a period in
history where so many manuscripts were
found and published in the total world
at a narrow time
he says there's no guy named brisker or
others that the some total amount had to
flow in this generation proportionally
to the meager amount of so what what do
we do he Hashem is made it and he goes
elaborates on this the new discoveries
of manuscripts so this is I found to be
a very interesting take and he is saying
this to understand this he dies in the
90s um I think it was in the ninth in
the 1990s so if you're taking that into
account in recent years it's been a
bigger explosion than when he went from
his time of new manuscripts okay
maybe tell the audience who he is he
can't just leave us hanging that way ah
okay so I'm definitely um is a person
that's worthy very worthy of having a
few episodes to discuss him but he was
famous for being roshishiva and Skokie
for a while eventually in the 1970s he
made Aliyah he was considered by in all
standards who is a nephew and a Talman
of bear very very into the Tower of
Israel
but he also was very into the Khazana
um he was very mathematically gifted and
for example in the famous Dateline Shyla
you wrote a massive 500 page work all
aspects of a demonstrating his yeah that
not only in londis and in learning and
but an understanding of the sciences and
he was a very unique out of the box
cuddle a very big deep thinker he wrote
A Lot in Hebrew and in English I think a
lot of his articles actually appeared in
the Jewish press
um at some for for a while but I that
was before my time and some of them were
collected in various books one of the
books I just read from is called Terror
in existence and he has another book
called Tyran reason and there's other
books in English and other
um other Lambda svaram of his of all
types they're all pretty hard to find
these days but anyway he was a unique
um tremendous that died in I believe it
was 1995. okay fine so now you've given
us the information about what you've
done we're ready to get the haziness's
cheetah but everyone talks about it
manuscripts what he holds perhaps you
could show us some sourced information
whether it's books and storm that
everyone knows about some articles I
think that's what we are all waiting to
hear
okay so first like this the first
question is really to step back a drop
and it is to ask iski which I'm which
I'm claiming which is pretty
obviously is using these new manuscripts
and everything so is this unique in the
basement that has an ish to embrace it
or there are other people in the
basement
that embrace the new discoveries the
answer is and the first season I spoke a
few times I mentioned that uhevsky was
influenced by four different great
people one of them was his father who
not only did he have a tremendous impact
on him they learned called tarakula
literally together
so when you look about the stipler
you you find that number one we spoke
about already that the requski worked on
the publishing it from manuscript who
got him the job was the stipler very
unlikely to say that the stipler will be
against publishing new manuscripts and
getting the job if he was against it
now stipler like many other dailym
of his letter the three volumes of his
letters called krina the igrisa and in
the year we find the Marshall a
beautiful askama on the discovery of
Urbana Hills Parish on this free
that's one Discovery and now it's very
unlikely that he would give a beautiful
askama if he didn't believe in these new
discoveries that there's some benefit of
having these manuscripts in the same
volume
that we find another you know there was
a someone in England or of Halpern
published a some new material of Tysons
the stapler gives a beautiful askama
um worthy of reading all his shyness but
explaining how that Hashem is bark makes
it that um
that certain certain materials come to
light at certain periods of time and our
generation was like to be to be guile
these different regime and we
Muscatel he says he mentions even that
there are plenty still in manuscript but
anyway he writes very very
um enthusiastic about these materials
from these new manuscripts relating to
tices
and another ascama one other one is to
mention is the tysis rush someone bought
hematitis Rush on a different sector
and the stipler also gave a very nice
comma but here just a cute thing was he
said a lot of times how do we know that
it's a Texas rush so he says my son
kanyevsky told me that the Sharon
brings down a piece from this Isis Rush
from his manuscript this was on so so
here we have a way how it's
authenticated and was authenticated by
his great sonjevsky's Bukis not only in
reshine him and in hazals here we see
him being Bucky in Akron in the sharamel
okay anyway the point what's interesting
is is that the crying for some
reason they sent her out the names and
the names of the Swarm and a lot of
these letters I don't know why but
that's the um we so we see but bottom
one we see stipler seems to be somewhat
Pro using new manuscripts maybe not but
using them next another person which we
also spoke a little bit about in season
one was someone who was very close with
the kazanus and Kalman Kahana was Isaac
very much in his run
not only in myself but publishing new
works a manuscripts
and different materials relating to
helping
new discoveries and a large part of his
he ended up establishing a Mahone and
what's significant is this Mahone was
taken over eventually by rabafrati
talmum yashif everything was done with
the under the so to speak of rebellious
they learned intense intense
but also focus on publishing materials
for manuscripts it's so much many works
of
that have come out has been coming
through them and just to mention the
Marshall the cafter effect they did a
beautiful job based on manuscripts so
here we see again people that are
affiliated I would say or extending from
the basement so it's funny the stipler
these are people that that kazanesh
meant a lot even though the khazash
meant a lot to most people but these are
it's strange that they would go against
him so blatantly okay that's the that's
so that's the background of I'm just
trying to make it dramatic okay now
but the question is really what does the
heisenhage hold so the hazenish in
general
was beyond prolific and he was prolific
which is not the case of many dailym
even in his lifetime
he's born in the 1870 1878 and he dies
in 1953. he first publishes his first
work has an ish in 1911. that's well
known he doesn't write his name on it
but he already published materials in
some newspapers beforehand as early as I
think 1901. so he wrote a lot we know he
wrote literally on called tarakula you
go into a shoe library or some many
people have their houses it's
mind-boggling how much he wrote
to make a rishima a proper listing of
bibliographical of all his materials
that he wrote is very hard
already 10 years after he was Nifty or
Kalman Kahana we just mentioned has a
beautiful listing and we read it it's
mind-boggling how much he published at
that by that period of time ready
so now
we have to keep that in mind he wrote a
lot so to find his shita in something
that could be spread out in a lot of
different places is a job a hard job
number two is they're constantly finding
new material just as an example in the
past few years five massive volumes of
materials of his has come out from
manuscripts
um and more more and more keeps on
coming out
um I always joke that one of the
building that's writing from the grave
besides the Wikipedia and some Cipher is
the hasn't just yesterday I saw going up
an auction uh a huge selection of 50
materials of the khazanesh yes if you
want someone to buy for me I will accept
it of different product of relating to
the haznish that was seems to have been
on his table on the days that he right
before he died
I have no idea where they had it where
they got it from it sounds very
interesting I did not have a chance to
look at the full description of it but
sounds crazy
stable yeah good that's a good question
I don't know after I read this read
carefully these items maybe we'll be
able to have a question what's uh what's
what anyway the point is the kazanesh
wrote a lot now besides the writing a
lot and Publishing it he also wrote
letters that were given to us to regular
people he also spoke to many people yeah
tell me them and he had people that came
into him because either
so in order to get such a person's she
thought clear in a manner that could
come up many times it's not easy okay
now in general in order to understand
the sheet of the Khazana so to speak for
this you have to check up all the quotes
you have to see firsthand if you could
the different quotes that he says now
the problem is that some of them were
censored and you don't know the context
of the letters who he's writing it and
what's he writing it about why is he
saying what he's saying which makes it
harder
but it makes it even harder is that
sometimes new materials come to light
about a particular piece of information
and then sheds light on up till now you
thought a certain way and then a new
sentence comes to light they reprint the
letter they add we have the manuscript
we're adding one more line that line
could be a key to understanding much
more and this happens a lot with the
kazanish in and even in this topic
one of the letters that that's not as
well known is a discussion it was he had
was a letter that vesla writes about
talking to the president about it and
then just recently a few months ago the
letter came out again but this time they
added a few more lines and that few
those few lines as I'm going to show in
the next episode helps us understand
much more with what the Khazana meant
anyway these are just some of the points
now
so when a lot of the quotes of the
khazanush relating to this topic and
others is found in the Hebrew
well-known Hebrew very famous three
volumes
um now the problem is they when they
quote a lot of these letters a lot of
these letters and they have different
pieces they don't tell you who it's
going on who it was written to when it
was written and sometimes they take out
sentences oh sudden there'll be a dot
dot dot and you don't know what's going
on
um Rabbi Tigger who we've quoted a few
times mentions in his work called
conscious Derek ish incredible small
work on the hazanesh
um
he shows how certain True Value was cut
up over six times put into six different
places but you don't know that when
you're reading each one of the letters
until you actually see the whole letter
published and there's a bunch of
examples we're not going to go into that
now if you open up the kovitz so the
first volume which literally came out
within a year or two after his nifter it
stresses
um that there's significant it has an
issu's letters he was um it helped and
he did so much it helped it will help
people
all different types of things people
used to ask him all different pieces of
information all different questions and
so we have these letters now the letters
did not necessarily saw all the
manuscripts of the letters some so but
they publish it now the SEC uh in the
second in the volume three which comes
out also in the 50s pretty much right
within a year of a few years less than
five years after the Khazana has been
Nifty it says work
okay
now Robin young and Silber one of your
daily Brack a famous author of Julius
Brew who had a supposed to have a a
connection with the kazanesh he writes
in a few different letters
he says when you're talking about this
volume specifically the kiss fake the
the the kind of figures that has and if
she says it's not a safer it's not
because
and he says used to say don't rely on
things that I said
um that people that say from my name
balpe even letters it's considered about
it
so he said he's saying that pretty much
we don't know the background of the
particular letter so beware and as I
said not all letters are taken from
manuscripts some of these letters are
from conversations and they don't even
tell you where those conversations are
from okay
my grandfather or barley Spitz had a um
in a piece that he wrote In The Journal
called hamar um in the 80s so the
question that he was dealing with
related to a specific letter of the
Khazana she goes so far as to say that
if you look carefully he couldn't
believe that has understood what he said
in that letter so he said that the
letter is not about samho it does not
sound like he said because it came out
after he dies they got tons of materials
from all over the world some of the
stuff that wasn't labeled what they
published it and it's it could be they
didn't go through everything carefully
enough to verify every single thing that
a thing came from the khazanesh and he
and he brings even from a red Vaz such
an issue that you can't rely on truvis
that came out afterwards okay whatever
the the um my point is that if you look
very carefully in gen this is a general
issue with
most plenty of other dailym that when
you find
their works you have to be very careful
um to see the sources and to know what
the Makara is who's saying it Etc now
just to just to talk about this a little
just a drop long and then we're going to
get to the meat and potatoes as they say
Professor yaakov Spiegel who I've quoted
numerous times in the past he has a book
called a mutant safe for every it's five
volumes and one of the volumes he deals
with this concept in general terms with
the map specifically about the Khazana
but many times we find we shine him
could write two different farm and it
could be steers between the two Farms
I mean everyone knows random let's say
this theory is busy answering it but
it's come let's say the rush if you have
a stereo between the Russians of succumb
to Russian truvis what do you do so
let's say you have a khazanish says one
thing and then you have in the igoris
that's a written egress and we know it's
from him is it a it's a stereo possibly
so what do you do
um and there's all types of column the
dailymails gave all different types of
column which rep this professor Spiegel
outlines all us there's another issue
not necessarily everything to do said
God the one printed especially
um there's a there's a question letters
letters a lot of times they're not one
printed they were meant mamish for
one-on-one private conversation as if it
was a controversy a few years back
Professor Mark Shapiro published some
many interesting letters that that the
three days had with with um with
Professor Atlas very very interesting
things and then people were very upset
these were private letters they were not
necessarily supposed to be published so
Spiegel brings this down also this
caused the whole discussion in the Toro
Mata Journal back and forth about it
okay
so you can't just mention Professor
Atlas and like run by without mentioning
who he is
okay so the answer is that he was a
person that learned in slobatica Yeshiva
eventually becomes a professor seems he
becomes affiliated with reform but he
still loved learning and he had a close
close relationship with the three of the
age they had many different letters back
and forth but he also put out
interestingly enough to write
Marshall in Lakewood there was at least
one edition of arrived all crossed out
apikairus took fear or whatever
something like that anyway so they had
very interesting letters back and forth
which were published in the Toro model
journal and caused some type of Scandal
if it would have been the times the
internet I'm sure have been much more
and the editor at the time
um had to defend why he did it whatever
okay so anyway the point is foreign
but maybe he didn't want him to get out
okay anyway there's all types of these
type of conversations Spiegel deals with
it in his work and this plays out even
more and we will get to some aspects of
it in a later episode with
what's happened is is that there's a
whole genre of news Farm which they map
out all the unhuggers that people see
that they watch Godly doing and God will
be asking there's a crazy amount to
these types of storms coming out and is
of plenty of more recent years like this
but it's already found let's say that my
real my real was a talometer than my
real watch to my real carefully and he
would record what he saw and it became
one of the main sources for the Ramos so
obviously certain times these Works have
very important impact on Allah anyway
um with the kazanesh a lot of times it
could be a sack and they and you'll
check into it and then you'll see what
the next person will say it's just it's
not true he didn't mean it I just want
to give you could give many different
examples for this I'm not going to
Spiegel in his latest book called every
as a whole has three different places
where he talks all about the khaznish
with these aspects quoting different
theorists in the stories and in the
different things I'm just going to
mention two very very brief ones and it
gives you the idea
one was that someone said something
about a certain piece of the beer Agra a
famous pieces of beer Agra and hold on
just give me a second
um okay I think it was about said
something about wearing yamakas and the
person said what do you mean there's a
beer Agra that says that wearing yamaka
is
said that he saw the gra in a dream
and the girl told them that he was
Kaiser
so the assistant
did not believe that the grok he said
this is not the way spoke he wouldn't
have told them even if the girl did come
whatever okay and obviously there's a
type of story today I'm sure you can
make a whole
this is the way he would talk is anyway
does believe it doesn't Okay and then he
brings that interesting enough that
about something else that Heim grinemann
said that the has um
a few times in dreams to talk to him and
learning
um and other issues so here you have on
one hand Ricky saying okay so maybe it
could be about this piece that that's
what father
saying is Kaiser and he's gonna come to
the transition maybe that whatever
anyway this is a story and just one
other story just to say for the sake of
a story
seems the in the in the 19th in the late
1940s there was an issue there was not a
lot of food in Heritage Israel so some
people allow powdered milk
others answered it so two background
from Heaven came to the Khazana to ask
him about using this so one asked them
and told them no way you can't eat it
another one said you could it's just a
shash okay come back to yeshiva's Cavern
the stereo two guys walked in each one
got a different sack what the president
say so someone from the cabin went back
to Kazan asking what's going on he says
what do you mean I said both both were
saying the truth one and he starts
smiling he says like this one guy looked
like a gibber he's a strong bucker he
asked me I said no you can't because
it's not going to hurt him he doesn't
have food it was in a time it wasn't a
lot of food so he said you dumb people
the other guy he was a skinny little
wimpy guy so him I told him he could be
Mako so you see that a Taylor it was a
tailored sack he understood the
situation but it wasn't meant to become
the sack for cloudy thrill at the time
this is obviously before the internet
etc etc anyway so the point is that we
one has to be very careful this is
general for for and it's also general
for Kain kaneski which we will get to
Amir sashem in a special episode dealing
with these type of things now to our
main as I call to medium potatoes of our
story what's the story what's going on
here what does the Hasan ish
what's going on so the
for for me also is that
says a line and he says that people
already in the time is
they say things whatever
I wrote it a lot whatever I wrote are
you going to find theorists you're not
going to find theorists in what I wrote
the hainu in things that we know for
certain that the haznesh wrote there's
not going to be steers
and then I come across this is where
kamakana says
then I come across
in the conscious choice but you're going
to get to momentarily the haslish writes
a fascinating line and this I think
plays out by the kazilian's writings
very importantly
Adam it's the nature of human with
people Aquarius
people read things like reading a letter
quickly
what they're reading carefully and you
have to read carefully especially topics
that are very amok now with that with
those introductions the kazanish is
yodua he wrote he wrote on purpose very
hard to understand you have to be madaic
in everything he says every tag should
be tag means something by him again I'm
not saying like as a reason but it means
a lot okay now so what's the shitu that
they say over so number one is like this
already a year after he dies the 3dh and
a literature of Herzog writes that he
found something in a tubus ago that was
found in the kyradines and he was all
happy with it but he says he writes this
letter but they say in Earth Israel says
that's what they say over so it already
got to the street issue was not an
artistro
and as I said the letters of the Khazana
were not yet published it was published
a year or two later with destler has
there's two letters published in that he
had conversations with the kazanesh also
some type of thing that you can't rely
on new manuscripts okay and America we
will get to explain more the letters and
talk more about the letter zero destler
next episode
okay there's a year there was a great a
tremendous Rosenthal
who was also a talmud by the kazanesh
who's a tremendous guy the way I heard
of him was because when I was in the
mirror I learned by um one of the Lesser
known magidi shiram in the mirror at the
time was Romeo Levitz the youngest son
of akinsh malevitz his father-in-law was
Israel Rosenthal Rosenthal was a famous
coin his father was
also going and he wrote 15 volumes on
rambam so he writes he he came across a
piece of the Ravid that was printed for
the first time manuscript on the side of
the Shasta Vilma he went and he thought
it could answer up a whole thing so he
comes into Israel he says
You must know my shita not to rely on
manuscripts and um okay so here we have
a talmud testifying about Israel about
manuscripts okay
so the question is what does he hold so
so far it seems like he holds not to
rely on it
now
what I'm going to show now the next
Bunches of pieces of information are
going to be proofs that he holds that
you could rely on manuscripts at times
number one
we I already mentioned the khazana's
first work comes out in 1911. already
this work it deals with a lot of
archiving topics and he quotes one of
the works they quotes many many times
with great great covet is the words of
the mishnaburra and we know there's a
letter of the Khazana and the Khazana
talks about the mission in other places
with unbelievable covets saying he's
like delicious and we know he argues on
the mission Brew many times and he talks
about the Mission Brewery
dozens and dozens of times hundreds and
hundreds of times
but yet anyone who knows you learn Mr
Brew for a few minutes you come across
that the missionary is relying on
reshining you would think that somewhere
one of the times should say by the way
he
we don't relying him he never once
mentions it and he's been and he's
quoting him from 1911 and onwards and he
knew Mr Brewer Khan's car he uses it for
everything he went through he points out
his issues all the time so to me this is
already something it's a Riya of some
sort again I'm sure people could argue
that's a point but now let's go into the
example take a deep dive
is known he took he um a different poem
and different controversies in Aloha he
took part of bakayov one of the most
famous
controversies that took place in his
lifetime was the Dateline Shayla which
is worthy of a episode or two not from
from me but
basically
yeshivas mere and others were stuck in
Shanghai
in the 1940s and the question was what
which what to do based on the Dateline
Shiloh which days to observe Yan kippa
so victim everyone's involved and not
much what to do and asking difference
there were meetings okay
so at the time
who gets involved
another goggle gets involved with
tukushinski people who are familiar with
the sugya know that a lot of the
materials come a lot of the discussion
revolves around three rishinam
um besides the balamura and the kosari
which is its own discussion how relying
on the cursory
it's his own discussion which we
mentioned a little bit in the episode we
spoke about the kosari but
number one there's a piece narrated in
the curse of sham of the Ravid which was
printed in the 1930s from manuscript in
a journal called schooler and this plays
a role in the conversation of the
khazanesh and of takushinski another
Hebrew a talmud of the rush called yes
which was printed in the 1770s and
another Hebrew from above and also an
early mission very involved in astrology
astronomy but there was pretty from the
1850s these three swarm are very crucial
in the sugya of the datelines if one
opens up author the work known as
and his work on the datelines
I don't have it in front of me countries
and he publishes literally right after
the 1941 controversy and if you look a
martial in the newspapers of the time in
El in
1941 rebseven writes an article where he
gives the background what's the machikas
what he gives the audience in the hot
sofa paper what's the machoikas about
and he really puts it down in reservan's
style giving you the background when
this when was the first time the child
was discussed and different materials
about it and he says one of the main
makayas in the sugya is this is so now
has an ish
is not people mistakenly says didn't
even care about these recite him but he
didn't even see them he was just quoting
it because of takashinski uses them and
he was coming to argue on him so he uses
with toshinsky's quote so he doesn't
it's clear if you learn carefully the
countries he checked up the Swarm and he
uses them he doesn't dismiss them he
could have said a lying which he does in
other controversies and say don't bother
don't bring me rise from new manuscripts
he's handling the whole in the country
the whole time he's handling as if the
regular cheetahs in the sugyo that one
has to deal with of these three
what I call new manuscripts one was
mamish printed less than 10 years before
and the other two were printed in past
hundred few hundred years and they were
not from way way back so here we see him
using them and he doesn't say boom about
the problem another paulus that also
took place in arity thrall a little
later was a police known as the Pullman
Sachin urim well which is became a sharp
machikistan
about it this also became a very Hot
Topic in the course of this
okay um in the course of this discussion
we find that it was brought to the
intention of the of the khazanesh that
is a chuva of the
says the khazanesh that I saw a trueva
of the going well EC Troopers had going
had passed which we spoke all about the
Hebrews
even though I hold you can't really rely
I'm a cat nearing Divya going it's real
it sounds reliable you rely on it this
piece was discovered already as early as
I've not yet located
who was the first person to use it but
since then we have many sources that say
whatever it says in these in this tubes
are going him on the topic and the
Khazana doesn't dismiss it he says no he
brings you down the whole piece he has a
hope shot and understand that he's
arguing with other people I didn't say
but the point is he's not saying oh it
doesn't make a difference he adds in a
key line over here which we'll get back
to but he's using it in this Pumas and
the same page
um there's a famous thing which we
already mentioned the Miri Miri gets a
bad slack they claim that the khazanish
is even a again I mean type of thing
he's sort of like Nan tamiri let's open
up at the Khazana says number one in the
country urine which we're talking about
right now on the same page says
he says I didn't see it inside someone
gave me a copy of what it says and this
is and it fits in and fine and doesn't
dismiss it in another place in
consonational
and he says you should be we should be
match here even that government
okay now I'm not telling you that you're
gonna find a hundred quotes of the
Miriam the safer he doesn't and that
will get to why but the point is he's
not dismissing it outright but now the
story gets for goes further
at some point in the 19 late 1940s I
believe it is someone wants to print the
Hebrew Shar hamayam of the rajbah for
the first time for manuscript this
person really has an issue in vinay
Brack he comes into that has an ish he's
printing its manuscript so he wants to
know now obviously he's asking the
transmission because he knows has some
time something up with manuscripts he
says like this
even though
the Khazana says unconscious that
aimless himself
but he says this Dover borrower
you look carefully at this you could
tell it's the rajma print it no problem
s
in his book review under a pen name on
the Charmaine says here we see not like
people think some people think from the
Consciousness
printing manuscripts what do you mean
he's telling him here you could just it
has to have an important piece of
information which is we have to be vadai
that it is
now obviously that's that's a
conversation that needs to be had fine
so now I'm showing you from yet another
source that the khazanesh holds from the
sharamayam he was okay with it now
there's another work that relates to
this conversation is that with myself
who is a tremendous librarian somewhere
in in America so he talks about the
Khazana and he says if you open up
there's a mission
says
embracing a new discovery the written
that came out after after
has all this form
so too in another place I found in
evaneser that
is
okay another discussion we mentioned
that we spoke about
so I quoted then that that people said
melter in a bunch discuss if the hand
the ramban on Magilla everyone was
relying on the quote of the ramban found
the ram but the ramban was published in
the ninth in the 1790s and then we see
much much more on the sugya and that
would have changed that even perhaps the
grow would have changed his mind
so much so this relates to how to Lane
um how to have the breaks increase
so who also Embraces this ramban okay
brings down
okay so we see yet again that there are
times that he's using these okay just
two more kindness and then we'll come to
the conclusion this Rift eager who I've
quoted numerous times
he brings that he found also other
places he brings a place where the
Khazana brings down
so that's another manuscript published
for the first time
in recent years and has using it so
again we have uh maramakim which would
show that the khazanish at least certain
times is accepting and one last thing he
brings us a case of Zara there's a
places
which brings it down for I believe if
someone does an extensive examination a
bunch more of these type of things no
one has done it up till now but the
point is like this at this point and
this is how a concluding episode number
one it seems and this is how riftiger
understands it also and others is like
this
that hazanesh is willing to accept when
something is a new discovery if he is
convinced
that it's a real true therefore
he held the martial of the conscious
no haznus Embraces a Miri fits into the
sugya that did not get him nervous so
now obviously I'm gonna leave on a
cliffhanger what did and I brought a
bunch of different proofs I think the
proofs maybe you might say one in itself
is not but I believe putting them all
together something emerges obviously
there are I have to admit now we'll give
a sneak preview to that there are times
he's against it when is that Amit Hashem
I hope to be put in proper perspective
the next episode
okay fascinating we are
we have plenty to digest here on this
episode looking forward to the next
episode
so a couple things you mentioned
riftiger I had the opportunity of Tigger
he was in America recently
um and we discussed as we discussed with
him and Eric Israel that he will join us
in the very near future to discuss his
participation and editing of heim's
forum if you haven't seen check out
online
Google YouTube Every tiger fascinating
videos of him discussing
Forum there's videos of coming to visit
him you imagine coming to visit a muse
lion taking out of taking his time after
he visited his
visit this review so he obviously had
tremendous amounts of a cars at Tafe
so there's even one video relating to
this with the Chris
he has a conversation and if you don't
know the Sugi you can't tell the sugar
but once you know this one video where
his says yeah and he opens up the
mission Brewer he learns the whole Suite
with him inside about the Korea satira
and the gurashito
one of these videos incredible um
now as promised people are always asking
what do you have going on behind you
they don't even know that what's behind
you is like
a tiny tiny drop of the amount of storm
they have scattered around Earth's
Israel and all your different masks
different storage houses so turn around
pull out a random safer and tell us
what's going on
thank you
okay so I'm going to pull out a safer
it's it's higher up easier to get to
and the significance of the safer is
that right before
let me show you the say for a second
right before
less than 24 hours before this past few
is I get an email
that this safer came out and this is
already causing me problems I live in
ramapi chemist there's no way in the
world this is getting through shalayim
how am I going to have some cosiantev
some people they have some with wine
with meat and yes I do like cheesecake
cheesecake but once I know that this
safer is out it's over and it's going to
be very depressing I automatically start
making the necessary arrangements and
luckily luckily it comes through and it
comes to me it's cold
EST it's called taldus Adam
from removing my goalis it's a book that
he wrote his first work
which he wrote in let's check the ear it
says in 1912 it came out in Lemberg
his first work and he wrote over 50
works on the Marsha incredible
incredible work
it's published by I have a Shalom now
what's the significance of this work is
number one is it was very rare very hard
to find and also they have
the nephew of Margolis is alive in his
80s is working together with them
published to published a lot of
different materials new materials and in
the copy of removing my goal is his own
edition of this Talus Adam he had
numerous hundreds of isafes so they put
it all in with other materials and they
literally it's a beautiful beautiful
Edition worth every penny also they have
a bunch of letters that he had with
different that wrote to him after he
sent him the safer and this is he wrote
this when he was in his low 20s a
beautiful beautiful safer and it was
beautifully done high quality high
quality paper worth your money and this
helped me have a proper Simplicity if it
came and I was able to have it
beautiful okay so obviously you could do
10 episodes on a movie Margolis in 30
seconds who he was
around when he was born and what did he
do
this is very tough let's say 19.
he's um 18 late 1880s I believe it is
that he's born
because this is I said this is when he's
21 or 22. he dies in the 70s he is young
but he doesn't have children he's
married twice
in Lemberg he was a microspharm he wrote
tons of farm articles newspapers Pub and
he was also a Publisher's Farm but he
also published his owns Farm but he was
obviously no ordinary person lemashulli
come starts Israel he makes Alia in the
30s goes to visit with cook with cook
makes a brachan singer Adam gado when he
sees him if Cook was in correspondence
with him if Cook has a scammer which
could only be found in certain editions
of his
on his work on the Zaya other things
rifkook was familiar with him and liked
him
found can be found in an eyewitness
account or someone that was there at the
time anyway he ends up putting out many
more Spider-Man artists while his nerd
Israel he works for Mysore of cook he
also was the chief librarian in the Tel
Aviv in Tel Aviv he built a major Farm
library for that period of time it's
still it's actually still exists today
so he was but he was now he's a hasida
from Lemberg galaxiana but he also has
zionistic leanings and he had to do with
let's mushroom cook but he had to do
with all types of people and Imam was a
legendary bikinis in all of Taira
including Kabbalah authored 50 60s
firearm easily
and since this is episode you mentioned
his connection to Abrahim very briefly
if you want to mention oh yes so even in
this new edition he mentions that was a
loved him there's a few times I think I
quoted in season one even hankevsky
Madam knew him had great respect for him
and so too
had great respect for him I do recall
enough there's even a peace that he says
or something that he heard from the
khazanesh
um but they both haznish and the um
liked him a lot this nephew was there at
least one of the conversations he had
conversation with crime canevsky about
my goals he brings it in this new
introduction in this work and so he
liked it and oh and to end Hank nasty
quotes remove my goals Cassandra in La
Marshall his work on the round let me
quotes his work on the Zaya other places
he quotes many times
yes
and you'll see that certain things are
are blacked out or ripped out because he
gives a he dates the the safer to the to
the Medina so these type of terrible
days that he has anyway all in all um
that he had even though he didn't have
children
from his farm so now this new printing I
recommend
here you go
excellent wonderful thank you very much
looking forward to the next episode
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