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Sometimes those souls that are trapped
in [music] between worlds are given
permission for reasons beyond my [music]
full understanding to hide inside of a a
living human being, [music] a living a
living person, a Jewish person. And
that's called uh the term is [music] a
debuk. He's he's being [singing] uh
possessed by a by a by a soul. When Sha
died, that wasn't the end of his life.
As we know, death is not the end of any
of our lives.
a great coalist Rav Yehuda Petaya. He
was the type of rabbi that was able to
talk to souls. He has a diary of his
conversations with souls that left this
world. And he he writes in there his
interaction with Shapi as a soul after
he died.
And he has in there a conversation also
his interaction with one of the students
of Sha
that would not let go of his belief in
Shaitvi. And he was a massive Torah
scholar. But his entire life he was
devoted to Shaitvi as the real Messiah
thinking he would come back from the
dead and or whatever he thought and he
tried to bring people to believe in
Shai. So this the the idea of the
suspicions and the concerns about rabbis
still trying to follow him were real. He
he dealt with the soul of this student
of Sha Natan
and he revealed to him that he was a
believer in Shapiti
even after he died and he continued to
believe in him and after he died and he
even confessed that he wrote a very deep
book on Kabala
to show that he's a big in order to then
use that to manipulate people and lure
people into believing in chap
[clears throat] That's how crooked he
was and crazy he was. Not obviously this
soul needed a lot of healing and
rectifications
in the in the next world. And in this
his case without even talking about
hell. Hell is a unique specific place
for a purpose. Hell is like taking your
beautiful white shirt that you got
stained to the dry cleaners and and and
the dry cleaners can only handle so much
dirt on a white shirt. If you bring a
white shirt that's black, they're going
to tell you, "We can't do anything with
your shirt that you got to throw it in
the garbage."
Hell's not equipped to deal with certain
souls that are so damaged from their
level of rishes that there are things
they have to go through for a long time
before they can even go to hell. Meaning
going to hell to them would be like
winning the lottery.
>> Same like limbo.
>> Yeah. They're in nether worlds, whatever
you call it, limbo. They're in between
worlds and it's terrible. Sometimes
those souls that are trapped in between
worlds are given permission for reasons
beyond my full understanding to hide
inside of a living human being, a living
a living person, a Jewish person. And
that's called uh the term is a debok.
He's he's being uh possessed by a by a
by a soul. And when this happens, so
these people sometimes certainly in the
olden days it happened more went to a
sage like this Rabbi Yuda Fataya for
help and he helped them. And so in one
dealing with this with a person being
possessed by this student of Shaiti, he
worked and helped this student Natan
to go into hell. He had to he had to
help him rectify his soul through
different things to just get him into
hell. That's, you know, gem is what it's
called in Hebrew. And it turns out
though that he tricked him because he
wasn't even worthy of that. And and and
and this rabbi suffered because of it.
Another story in his memoirs is him
actually dealing with shaft himself. And
there was a person that was being
possessed by Shaft for many many many
years. This student went for help for
one of the great cababalists of an
earlier generation actually the the rebi
of Yehuda the Benishai
from Baghdad and he wasn't in the end he
didn't help him wasn't able to get rid
of this this this uh this this uh
demon this spirit that was possessing
him not demon spirit and it went on for
a long time finally he went again and
went to his student for help because he
was maybe known for this and his student
tried tried to help
help him and he it turns out that this
was the soul of Sha who was also going
through the same suffering
in in between worlds.
>> He he uses cababala and certain uh
unifications to cause the soul lot of
discomfort to like torture, spiritual
torture. Torturing the soul so that it
tells the truth and as soon
[clears throat] as he's satisfied he's
hearing the truth, he stops the torture.
Spiritual torture. It's unbelievable
when you think about it. Like uh
spiritual uh you know msad call whatever
you want to call it. It's it's intense.
Anyways, but the beautiful thing about
this story is this. At a certain moment
in this in this story in the beginning
the the soul of Shai was very very
arrogant and cursing him and threatening
him and fighting with him
and then he didn't listen because he was
trying to help the the man he was
possessing. And so he worked on these
different things and he you know slowly
slowly slowly to to make things better
for him and they make made things better
for Shafi as well. His soul was getting
better and he started to turn around but
before the turning point he expressed
he expressed feelings. This we're
talking about the soul the soul's
consciousness
expressed feelings to reaya that I can't
take this I can't take it I'm I'm a
Russia leave me alone I des I and he
like the worst you can imagine suffering
and he wanted to give up and and he he
gave him encouragement is giving him
giving him encouragement and he explains
to him an unbelievable thing and if it
applies to him it applies to everyone
This was three.
He says, "In the end of the day, you're
not evil. Your soul is pure.
But because of all of your wickedness,
your soul is buried under, we'll use an
analogy, tons and tons of dirt, tons and
tons of evil is is is suffocating. Your
soul is imprisoning your soul. you're
buried under under, you know, tons of
dirt and how do you get out?
But your soul is pure. And he said, "I'm
not going to give up on you." And he
helped him. And there was a process that
took I don't even remember how long, but
a long time to the point where Rav Shab,
he's not a rabbi. To the point that
Shaite's
soul was able to go into Ghanam. And it
was an actual un unbelievable
accomplishment that he was able to go to
get his further tikun in hell in Ghana.
And that's how that story ended. But the
unique thing about that story is it
wasn't negative. He deserved it because
he really did a spiritual chuva. His
soul really regretted and changed
through the process of this with this
cabalist to help heal his soul and help
get his soul for further rectifications.
ultimately to have his place in the
world to come and ultimately we must end
with this point is that all souls from
Israel all
without excluding any although there is
a zor that excludes people that never tr
never never do any good but who never
does any good so I assume that that will
never happen so we can even say that
even though the zor says that a person
that comes into this world three times
and does zero good loes his olaba that
never happens. So essentially every
Jewish soul no matter how bad he has
been in these his first few times coming
ultimately it says that God will never
push them away eternally and they will
all have their process of whatever it is
suffering hell this nether worlds being
in between worlds whatever it is every
Jew because his nama has his his his his
essential soul is a part of Hashem and
that will be the redeeming light within
him that every every every is has
no matter what. Very important to
understand there's never a point to give
up and it's never lost. And giving up
and and feeling like it's all lost only
makes it worse because you create more
distance. You create more to fix. And so
our solution to every problem is
problems are not really problems.
They're opportunity solutions.
>> Shites being um was he would did other
people make him the Msiah or did he say
himself?
>> He said he was and people believed he
was. This whole thing is complicated
just without getting into details. The
Baltov mentions that he wasn't just like
a it wasn't like he was the a monster
and it wasn't that he was he was the
devil and he fooled everybody. He had
potential to achieve some level of
greatness and on his level he went
astray because he wasn't fit. He didn't
work on himself properly and all the
potential good that he had within him
turned absolutely as sour as one can
imagine. He did sick things towards the
end when he reached his this very this
when he became famous and he was able to
really really kind of win everyone over
that people that that met him and were
so inspired by him that they all decided
to follow him. Unfortunately, he broke
many many dis rules with the Torah in
many many disgusting ways ultimately.
Meaning he had a potential for greatness
and that potential flipped on him and he
he reached the highest levels of of
um
of riches of of of wickedness.
And that itself is