The Timeless Principles of the Responsa From the Holocaust & October 7th {Rav Oshri Melave Malka}

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com I do have some more than just that I come from Flatbush actually my grandfather was a holocaust Survivor my grandfather was AAS by zba and my grandfather had SM before the war from the and I actually always felt a very strong over the years I've given many from and even though I know you know you say over you know sometimes more mush than but how could I come to this not say over something from so with your permission I'm going to ask you to how cup a little bit what they say in the Yesa put on your lha glasses and I want to speak out of sha a sh from the Holocaust and to bring out a little bit how the is m a Timeless work the of that we see there apply m in that we are living through today and we see how the Torah is timeless I'm going to take you back this evening to the 26th day of L 1941 t t sh Al the ketto where the Nazis said we need a thousand yiden to work in the airport this is Sim B we need a th000 yiden to work in the airport and the ration of food was one soup a day but the soup was piggle the soup was not ker and a number of yiden came to rash and with the following sh by the way if you look at the the of the of the Chas Mish written very poetically very a literary style and the shil was could these y eat the tray food to keep themselves alive so what's a says the sh is how do we Define is because right now they were healthy to some extent they were worn out they were weak they were but they were not yet the shil is right now today they don't need to eat the soup but if they don't eat the soup today or tomorrow or the next day ultimately it would bring them to a of the question is in how do we Define s is it right now if the person's life is in danger or do we say or do we say that if they don't partake of a d it could lead to a situation that could bring to S is that already considered s that's the of the so of course we know the says if you have and the says I need to eat and the says I don't need to eat so what's the we listen to the why a person knows his own misery so to speak a person may know even better than the the says what if the says he needs to eat and the says I don't need to eat you listen to the comes theour listen to the this is all quoted in the says you have a proficient doctor it could be if he doesn't eat the illness will prevail and it could be you don't need to know maybe he'll die you don't need the doctor to say maybe he die if the doctor says Ure that it could come to a Sak doesn't mean today it doesn't mean tomorrow but the situation will lead to a Sak it's m in the tour the Chua brings that also considered s the the It Was Written in the Holocaust and it was buried and he came back after to that by the way historically there are many many works that were written by gim they were buried and they came back after for example thear now we're going back to the 15th century SAR because of Inquisition he buried it and and he came back to find so this is the argument offered by that this seems to indicate that the definition of p is not right now the person Sak if it's could lead to Sak ultimately you you'll see where I'm going with this for what's happening in today's world says but maybe you could be maybe there the person is a so right now he's ill once a person is ill he's in a predicament where if he doesn't take care of himself it's likely to lead to endangering his life but these people working in the airport yes they're weak yes they're famished but they're not they're not so you'll say but it will lead to that situation but you can't bring a RI from the Torah because the Torah is talking about a situation where someone is already a brings and Marshalls another interesting Gar so if you're lost in the desert you know the famous you're lost in the desert so what do you do you count six days and the seventh day you treat a shabas and the gar says are you allowed to work so thear says the first six days you work the what do you do on the day that you decide a shabus thear says on that day you don't work thear what should you should die on that day so thear says no on that day you go to work also so says so what's the difference between the six days and the day you consider shabas says no no major difference just that you make KES on the seventh day and you make havala on the seventh day so now we have because the gar ultimately concludes very interestingly that you go to work every day but what if you're able to fast one day so do we say if you're able to fast you have no right to work so they have a very interesting says if you're able to fast have to fast you could only go to work if you're not if you're not able to fast that day but the big says even if you're able to fast you need to go to work because you got to get out of the situation as soon as possible because it's a situation that ultimately could lead to S So based on this of the big by the way you know right now it's uh it's uh in a red volume over here and the print is is are ripping and I wasn't asked to do this I'm I'm doing this selfishly this this safer has to be reprinted I know but we need people to help it get reprinted you know so if you if you want to be you'll see because these are that we need today you'll see argues he SP he says he later met the he was it was for these people working in the airport to uh eat tarus in order to preserve their life so where am I going with this a very interesting Shila you have hostages in Gaza yeah the Israeli government wants to say we're going to rescue them how we'll give you back a 100 terrorists a thousand terrorists for one are you allowed to trade a 100 terrorists a terrorists to save one Jewish life so that there's a few shist up here number one there's a you can't redeem a captive for more than the value 100 terrorists of one Jewish Soul unless you argue unless you argue that the is only if the person's life is not on the line but if the person's life is on the line then what's the reason you know to redeem cap is more than their value because of you're causing the hardship on the but to save a Jewish life everyone has to give as much money as possible on the other hand the gar says of you don't want to encourage the to kidnap more so even if their life is on the line you still can't give yes because you're just going to encourage them to do it more that's the but the the other big Shila is what do you think these terrorists are going to do the day that you release them you think they're going to go play Bingo you think they're going to go learn what do you think they're going to do they say what they're going to do they've already announced what their plan is it's m say you know that one of the Thousand terrorists that was given up for gilad Shalit was the one who perpetrated the October 7th m soine they give up one guy but he's able to so the Shila is listen to the shil right now letting the guy go free is not putting people into Sak it's a situation that's and so is is freeing the terrorists considered putting people in right now today it's not but one day it will be so it's interesting they asked uh R YF back by the different mea anded and says a very interesting which we have to think of in light of the the says like this is it permitted to perform an autopsy on a Jewish body of course not n it's an of n what if by by performing the autopsy you could gain medical knowledge right now to rescue a Jewish patient in the hospital bed right next to him in other words you have two people one of them died of a certain illness and by doing an autopsy on on PL Al you could figure out how to cure the K in the next bed over are you allowed to do an autopsy to save the life of another patient that's that's clear but what if by performing an autopsy you could maybe gain medical knowledge that one day you'll learn some information that you'll be able to save someone someone's life in the future says that's not that's not called saving a Jewish life saving a Jewish life means today right now the fact that it will ultimately lead to saving the life of a that does not have a or so R argued conversely of theud that if saving a life in the future does not have the din of then risking someone's life in the future does not have the din of so if you could save a Jewish life by trading in 100 terrorists even though tomorrow it will mean putting people's lives in danger but the same way it's not considered hat unless you're saving someone's life here and now it's not considered Sak unless you're endangering somebody here and now on this indan but I'm trying to bring out that when you learn the this is not just history what would have been you know what would have been back then the and also you of course there many theim are dependent on the level of possibility of the level of possibility of Sak but these are not of commemorating something that happened 70 years ago it's a and all the principles that we see there are in our lives and uh we should we should only encounter them I want to speak out another inion I will try to be M the the that should be a little bit lighter so I'm going to speak a little bit about the frogs you know we learn we learn a very important thing from the tells us has a about who inspired was it a speech was it you know I learned in which is so I was very excited I thought I was coming and uh I know the learned in the but I heard he also learned by the and also by the BR it's very interesting didn't hear a didn't learn at that time you know who inspired a frog they were inspired by the frog says how they inspired by the Frog they made a they're not go into the ovens so made they who are not C and gave up their life we certainly have to give up our life it's very interesting that one of the greatest examples of Kes hasem came about as a liod from frogs let's think about it why did the re bring on the on the mitm says because they were from so the brought on them now Josh mentioned I grew up in Brooklyn so when I was the B I used to walk from em 31st to R Miller you look familiar from there yeah very often on chabas I heard Riv Miller for three years why do I mention that riller writes in a comes from the word SA they know the morning so maybe we start to see a little they so Thea they have different shifts OFA they know the morning some are the night shift and they stop by the morning some are the day shift and they start by the morning in any event let's let's try to go a little bit deeper one of the very frightening and harrowing Chas and came about few months later after the first CH we mentioned this from the fifth day of where a certain yid a yid from Poland made his way to Lita and on the day of the liquidation of the K ghetto asked theim he feels his end is near when that day comes what should he make when he's mades hasem when he gives up his life and he feels this will be his last and he wants to be able to teach other the to make when he's or maybe you don't make a at all the Raj argues maybe you shouldn't make a because the same way we don't give make a when you give maybe the will say no thanks you know if you you offer less than a dollar he might he might turn you down you know and then imagine you made a br you gave a quarter and he said no I don't take less than $10 so the Raj says that so we don't make a Saka so maybe you can't make a because maybe the guy won't pull the trigger so this was thees who says the is the you say or and says you say because it's says and this went around and he taught many and he said he met and said he heard from the that this is the correct that you should make the this was taught his son what's very interesting is the mag the mag told the we know the had a Mal that came to learn with him the was told by the Mal many times the Mal told him that the would die and the question is you know it never happened it didn't happen the died so many deal with this question what happened to the the prediction of the Mal that the would die so I want to share with you a very simple Hal I think uh this is to a certain extent a that's not fully understood when you say sh it should be with fear with awe with trembling shaking come on why do you have to get so worked up when you say sh you're doing a Mitzvah why you getting so agitated so the says part of okay so that means before you say sh you have to at least think two things number one you have to be number two you need to think your that if you ever put to the ultimate test you'd give up your life that's the an ior by the way you know that says four in the word but one of the important is that if ever put to the ultimate test one would give up their life and if you think that it's you did it so the writes the certainly was and whenever he said he was this so it's that the MIT tried to be from which means they didn't allow us to have this and this that we would on ourselves to be so says you're not letting the have this I'm going to send you know we're going to learn from we learned from there you're being from the to be we're g to use to teach look in so the didn't allow the to say so they had her here 24 hours a day until and until the Arab so it's a great to be here this evening as I mentioned I feel very close to the and we should be able to learn from it thank you very much you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com