The Unlikely Path of America's First Hasidic Press Reporter

As we left the caver, we saw these um pickup trucks. You know, you know what they represent? They were all over the streets and then you have in the back you have these guys with ski masks and AK-47s. I get back to the hotel. I check my phone. There's active shooting going on between Galani's people and and the Derus and I'm like, "Jana, wait a second. That sounds familiar." And I check the map like, "Oh my gosh, we just came from there." >> None of your business. None of your business, Michael. It's the None of Your Business podcast hosted by Michael and O. >> Welcome back everybody to another fantastic episode of the None of Your Business podcast. I'm your host, Michael Greenfield. Join with me is our co-host, Oshi Schwarz. And uh we are backed by the Prime Source production team. Thank you again, Steph, Will, and everyone for doing such a amazing job. We're getting all your comments, your likes, your subscribes. It's awesome. We're loving the energy, and we're loving the growth. And speaking of growth, today we have someone who I've been wanting for a long time. You and I have been playing cat and mouse and there's there's a word that there's a line that you told me. What did you say when uh the other day when I couldn't reach you? >> What was it? I don't know. >> You said something about the the time will pick you. You won't pick the time. What did you say? Something like that. You had a good line there. >> I don't remember. Check check. >> I'm going to check it. Sounds like it was a great line. >> Guys, Jake Turks is in the house, everybody. So, uh sham, welcome to our program. >> Wait, which where's which camera? >> Your camera is right over there. >> Hi, world. >> Hi, our world at least. >> Hi, our world. >> And uh I'm excited to have you here. I I think that you said the the um the clock picks us or something something uh mystical. It was interesting. It uh I I appreciated what you were trying to say, which is that um let nature take its course and we'll figure out if we get there. >> Well, yesterday you were adamant that we make this happen and I didn't see any way that this would happen anytime the next couple of weeks for sure. And here we are. What are you so busy with? >> What am I so busy with? >> Yeah. Well, you have a job or something. >> I'm busy telling all these different podcasts that I don't have time right now because otherwise, you know, >> uh Jake, we do a little thing called Chat GPT said what? So, I would like to tell you what Chat GPT says about you. That way, the audience gets to know you real quick. And >> have you done it yet? Have you put your name into Chat GPT? >> Oh my gosh. When it came out, yeah, at first as a novelty and I I did not like what it what it didn't >> You know what? Surprise, surprise. I have it here. So, I'm going to let you and the world know uh what Chat GP has to say about you. >> How long have you been doing? This is a pretty clever uh gimmick. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. I just started this three episodes ago. >> And so, like what happens if I I'm guessing not everybody does chat GPT have any information about >> right. So then I just simply don't do it. Yeah. But uh we have people here >> and it saves you like research time. It's like I don't know just reading a list. >> But it's very hard to evade the internet. ChatGpt has something on pretty much everybody. Nobody nobody nobody gets away with chash. So you you will have something here. Here we go. >> Let's do it. Okay. >> Born Aram Yakov Tarket. >> Yeah. You're going to have to pronounce that. >> Okay. >> What's your last name? >> Turktop. >> Turklet. >> Turktop. Okay. Much easier. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, so you shortened your name to Turks because it was too complicated to pronounce. >> The world did it for me and thank you world. >> So we just shortened it and gave you like a nickname. So now it's official. Now it's just Turks. >> Now it's just Turks. And uh Aram Yakov became Jake. >> I love it. It It goes You know what? It fits. It fits. Although Aram Yakov >> I look like a Jake, right? >> I I want to say you look like Aram Yakov also in a way. So it's it's a compliment to you. In Bart Park, Brooklyn, the eldest of 11 children, educated at traditional Brooklyn, Los Angeles, and Chicago studied journalism informally >> at Columbia University Graduate School under Ari Goldman. >> That's right. >> What does that mean, Professor Goldman? >> Informally. What does that mean? Um that means that we that um see he's a journalism professor. He invited me to audit his classes. I was not enrolled in the college like I didn't have to pay like a gazillion dollars or whatever for the course and I was a radio journalist at the time. So I guess was just like uh hey here's something you don't see every day. Shagai is journalist. Uh >> but you you went to Columbia University. You attended >> I was there. Um I even lectured there >> and um >> that's amazing by the way. Not not I mean forget about being a that's a pretty big deal. >> I'm Yeah. But >> Oh, you're saying today's environment kind of not. So now you're embarrassed. >> I'm not promoting. No, I'm not embarrassed. It was like a decade ago. >> Um I'm not embarrassed. I'm just like >> Yeah. A little bit. >> Yeah. You're cringing when you hear Columbia. >> Yeah. >> You began writing for me magazine in 2011 and you served as the Washington Bureau Chief and senior White House correspondent. That's when Donald Trump threw a shoe at you, right? Is that what happened? >> Yeah, kind of. Yeah. >> Wasn't that Bush? Somebody threw a shoe at him. I bet >> during one of his press conferences, one of the journalists threw a shoe in. >> No, but it wasn't a White House report. It was in uh in Iraq. >> Oh, it was it was overseas. Okay. Okay. >> Does that happen a lot? >> What the people throw shoes at the president? I >> I heard it in Islam is like a sign of disrespect. >> Yeah. >> I mean, in the West, it's >> Yeah. >> Pro I mean, it's not. >> What are you doing? >> It's not a sign. I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's just an Islamic thing. >> Here comes a good one. Are you still writing for the Ammy magazine? >> No, I'm with Mishbaka. >> Ah, okay. I read a lot of your articles in Ammy Magazine. I remember seeing your picture over there and then you would write a couple of pages and I enjoyed it. I think uh you write well and you made some very very good points all the time. >> I thought that you were a little bit unfair towards Trump and a lot of your perspectives. >> Okay. Um, but I I thought it was uh very insightful and Amy magazine really upped their game over the years like they became a proper magazine especially their business um articles that they put out. Um they still do that. That's also pretty pretty cool. Uh but Iron Magazine is a very well-known it's become a prominent a prominent uh newspaper. >> That's where you started off your journalist career. Now you're fully mish I spent 13 years with Amy. >> Oh wow. So yeah, it wasn't just started off. It was like >> like like a big chunk of my entire life, you know. >> Yeah. That was your first gig, your first like outlet into the journalistic world was Armor Magazine. >> You always knew you wanted to be a journalist. >> Well, in retrospect, it was obvious. >> Ah, >> because I was always like I was always that kind of kid, you know, in school. >> Curious. like curious but like not interested in in in what the teacher decided we should learn today. Just I would skip ahead look for like the the page that had like the roller coaster and it's like if two roller coasters are going is one's 60 m hour and one's going 87 miles an hour and they're on the same track. I'm like oh great let's let's figure this out. And you know I was always like daydreaming and stuff like that. Um I I think I was daydreaming by the principal's office more than in the classroom at a certain like certain point. Um >> did you go to uh the show schools growing up? Uh >> went to I went to a bunch of schools. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I switched schools a lot. Um yeah, I started in Babara Park and then my parents moved to LA for work. So I went to the LA then I went to TS then I went to a bunch of high schools. >> Oh. So was Yiddish your first language? >> Yeah, it was my first and only language growing up. >> And when did you start learning English? >> Well, I I knew how to read English. My mother was librarian and she encouraged us to like take as many books as we wanted home but she didn't let us speak English at home. >> Interesting. >> So yeah. So we had an hour and a half of English in Babuff and that was the extent of the English that we were >> like English curriculum. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Was like Yiddish and English. Those were the two uh >> you know was like >> you speak well. You you know I've seen you speak on on video clips as well. >> I can speak on well. I could like dial it back a little. >> No, no, it's not necessary. >> I'm saying I can go back to the way I used to talking. And >> did you talk that way? >> I can tell you. Sure. I I used to talk less than this even. Um >> my fourth grade teacher lives in my um he can back me up that in fourth grade I did not speak English. >> Wow. >> So you learned you learned English later on in your life. That's >> yeah. I made a conscious decision to stop thinking in Yiddish and start thinking in English at the age of 14. And it took me months of having to like recalibrate like I always had to like cut myself short and then like rethink my thoughts like translate it over into English. Took a couple of months a good good couple of months until it started becoming my default. >> Good for you. I'm just curious you are your thoughts and advice for other kids and 14 years old to take that conscious decision or just for you it worked. >> Um I think anybody who needs to make that decision would make that decision without me having to tell them to. >> Okay, a fair answer. >> Um but look, you know, nothing really stands in the way of your of your will of >> that's the lesson. It's not so much to learn the English, but it's when you make a decision. Yeah, you know, you know, I had this when you're a perfectionist, when it comes to anything else, you could wing it. When it comes to language, you can't really wing it. You really, really, really need a little language because if you don't know it, then it's going to come out very quickly. >> I just want you to know, we were watching you parking your car outside. >> I'm terrible, right? >> You No, no, no. It's not about terrible. You pulled in and you weren't comfortable with how straight the car was, >> let alone there's zero cars in the parking lot and you backed out and you went back in. And I said to Hosi, I said, "He's a perfectionist." >> That's true. That is very Yes, you got me. >> Unbelievable. But that's and and that's a very good thing in many ways. And sometimes it can be a challenge, I guess. And in and uh >> um yeah, it it's very important to to know up to what point being a perfectionist is a good thing. Um you know, perfectionism like if it's if it comes from insecurity, then like you should be aware of it. If it comes because you hold yourself to a high standard and you're just never satisfied with anything, then you know it could be very um detrimental. Um a lot of perfectionism comes from inadequacies somewhere else. And um I think it's important for people have this like perfectionism streak to try to like take a step back and ask yourself why. What's your mind telling you that's pushing you to be such a perfectionist? like like did someone once criticize you and and you feel like you're reliving that moment and you like you don't want to you know there there a lot of different um like ways of approaching this. >> I'm starting to see why the next thing on the list is you were the first kid Jew in the White House press corps a historic milestone. I mean it belongs here and congratulations to you for reaching that. >> Yeah dei kasidic guy right here. >> Yeah thei it says hidic Jew but what about religious Jew? Were you the first religious Jew or was there somebody before you that was part of the White House press corp that was religious? >> Well, if you want to know how long I've been religious, um I've haven't been religious too long, but um I think I was the first outwardly houseic before I would say I was the first inwardly religious. Does that make sense? >> To me, it does. You're going to have to explain it again, though. >> Yeah. >> I'm I'm saying this facitiously. It's not not literal, but um no, I've become I've become a lot more in tune uh religiously over the last year and a half. Um >> post October 7th, not specifically because of October 7th, but because of the safer that I have here, which has turned my life around. >> Oh, >> in a good way. >> Well, I hope we can get to that. Uh >> no, we will get to that. >> Oh, we we will be getting to it. Um, I'm just going to read off one or two more things that is quite fascinating to me is that you transition to the Mishbucka magazine as the chief White House correspondent >> in uh 24. So that's a very big position. Congratulations to you on that. >> Thank you. >> Um, and we see always, you know, your name and your article. It's you're doing amazing things. You you're putting >> Did you see my Did you see my article in Syria? >> No. >> Oh my gosh. As someone who loves to travel, you would you would love to be able to read that one. >> Yeah. You put out an article every week in the Mishbah. >> Yeah, more or less. So every week a new article comes out. >> Can you tell me a little bit of the snip snippet of uh the article about Syria? >> Yeah, I spent a week in Syria. >> Whoa. >> The week before they lifted sanctions. >> Oh. >> And I was at some of the meetings that eventually led to the sanctions being lifted. I mean, they officially lifted it yesterday, but he announced it a couple of weeks ago in Saudi Arabia. Um, yeah. So remember there was a story I don't know if it made it to your WhatsApp uh news cycle >> but there was a story that the cber of vital had been vandalized and these um hooligans dug a 6 and 1/2t deep hole um trying to trying to find the pi. Um, so this was like a half a week before his yard site. I was supposed to travel there with a group. We were going to have a minion and we're going to go to this this caver on his yard site and dav. Well, apparently some people either got wind of it or they just took a lucky guess and uh wanted to intimidate the group perhaps. Um, and it worked because half the guys chickened out. So, we didn't have a minion. But we went down there and we filled back in the caver and we cleaned up the place and then um installed like new cameras and I don't know what else. So that was how long ago? Talking about say 6 weeks ago maybe. Anyway, >> you have a lot going on. >> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I don't remember. Um but as we left the caver, we saw these um pickup trucks with the Toyota pickup trucks. You know, you know they represent, of course. >> Yeah. They were all over the streets. Um and then you have in the back you have these guys with ski masks and AK-47s. And um they're all over the place. And um I get back to the hotel. I didn't have service at the time. I get back to the hotel. I I check my phone and one of the fixtures I've been working with, he's like, "Yo, get down to the Jamana neighborhood right now. There's like like active shooting going on between, you know, whatever Golani's people and uh and the Derus." And I'm like, "Janna, wait a second. That sounds familiar." And I checked the map like, "Oh my gosh, we just came from there." So, like literally, I'd say a half hour after we left the caver, shooting broke out. Um, and it was, you know, it was all over the news. And like a day later, BB bombed the presidential palace to intimidate the It was like that was the week that I was there. >> Wow. >> And then a week and a half later, Trump met with him and uh sanctions were lifted and everything. >> Wow. >> So yeah, it's a pretty wild trip. >> Why were the sanctions lifted? Uh what's >> I was in Miami, by the way. I'm like thinking to myself, wow. >> Yeah, it's pretty blown away. >> He's right now in the most dangerous part of the world. That's literally where everything is going down on a daily basis. Is there something happening there? >> Yeah. But um if you know what the danger is, then that like mitigates most of the like if you're aware of the danger. A country where you don't know much about the dangers, those are real dangerous. But the country where you know the danger because it's it's so like well known. >> You're on constant alert. You're >> you're constant alert and you also know how to plan in advance, >> right? Um yeah. Was um >> do you have security with you when you go to some of these places? depends where. Most of the time it's uh it's better not to not to not to travel with security. It's better to have a fixer who knows the way around and like he'll show you where to go or not to go. >> What's it called? Have a what? >> A fixer. Like a fixer. Yeah. It's like a local guy who's, you know, this is what he does professionally. >> Um fixers could be a liability too, of course. Um I mean I mean they were journalists who were kidnapped because the fixers uh were were being um like followed and they're like oh they're going to pick up a journalist now. Let's follow this guy. You know >> interesting. >> So but if you're in one of these countries with security you're an automatic target. This guy has one life to give for Allah. He has no idea who you are. But if you're the guy with security then you're the guy who wants to kill. But if you're just a random guy with a backpack just minding your own business and not trying to provoke anybody like no one's no one's I mean unless someone recognizable figure but you know >> Oh she sorry these days you can't go anymore. I'm saying you're a recognizable figure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Very public these days. Uh can I ask you something? What is your typical day look like on the job when you are where are you most of the week? Are you stationed in Washington? Yeah. Do you just travel there as needed or is that your primary place and you're there for an extended period of time? How how does it work? Like walk me through that. >> I have a I have an office there. I have an apartment there. Some weeks depends on the week. Some weeks I'll be there all week. Some weeks I'll get over the president's traveling. If it's like a h like a holiday weekend or type of thing, you know, some weeks are slower than others. >> Do you ever go with the president with the press corp wherever he's going? You you go along with him? >> Yeah, I was with him in Saudi Arabia. >> Wow. So, the last trip that he went, he went to Saudi Arabia, which is not long ago. What was that? A month ago or so? >> Month ago. Yeah. >> A month ago. So, you went there. So, you you flew on the plane with him. >> No. >> So, you went on a separate plane. >> Yeah. So, there's they have a charter plane. >> Um, Air Force One has one slot for print for all the print rotations. All the print media are in a rotation for one slot on Air Force One. Um, odds of your slot coming out on the day that he chose to travel is very very small. >> Um, so there's a charter plane and that they charge you a fortune and then you could just fly by yourself, >> which is what I chose to do. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. So when you get there, do you they put you >> see here's the thing. the first time, Trump's first term, his first trip was also Saudi Arabia, but back then you had to go with the press corp because otherwise you couldn't get a visa to Saudi Arabia, >> right? >> Um, now it's not it's not a problem anymore. They opened up so you can get a you can get a e visa like a couple minutes. >> So, anybody can go. >> Yeah. So you get there to Saudi Arabia, you stay at a hotel and then you go to all of his meetings wherever he's meeting people and you're you're part of the press that's there that's watching, observing, and asking questions afterwards. >> The funny funny story happened in Israel. It didn't happen in Israel. It keeps happening in Israel. >> Is when um with the motorcade, there's always like a Shinbet guy who like I see them out of the corner of my eye. I see like the jaw drop and like, "Oh my gosh, we're all getting fired." And then they run over to me and they grab they don't check to see if I have credentials. Their instinct is to grab me by the arms. That's like their instinct. Um, so I've kind of already like like I already know I just just if someone grabs you, you just just flip them your press ID and then they just leave you alone. And and and I don't think they still have gotten over it. It's a very very uh traumatizing concept for them that a kidish guy like one of them made it um and is part of the White House motorcade. >> So, >> right, you still feel like it's like you might not belong there or that feeling or >> Well, they they feel like I don't belong there. >> I'm saying that you feel that they feel that. >> Yeah. >> Do you ever feel self-conscious about being in a room where you look different and you're clearly standing out or or not? And here's the funny thing. I don't see myself. So, I see only everybody else and I'm like, "Oh, everyone in the room looks the same. This is perfect. Also, there are other reporters from other countries and other, you know, there's other >> Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. >> People also that uh, >> you know, you would be like, "Whoa, who's that guy?" I mean, but I like your look. I I think >> I like it too. Thank you. >> You have a signature look as well. >> It's a signature look. Like, you can always count on you with a hat, you know, and with the garb, you know, and the payas. It's It makes you stand out. It's it's a very easy way to identify. It's great. >> Yeah. >> I'm curious about what Oshi was saying a minute ago. So, your your week is that you you follow the president where he's going, >> right? Uh but when he's not traveling or you're not doing that, what what else are you busy with? Like what are the what are your focus? >> There's Capitol Hill. Okay. >> There are the government agencies. Um there all these like NOS's and whatever all these offices all over DC there. There's always something to do. There's always someone to meet their protests, you know. um stuff to learn, >> right? So, you have access to all of these places wherever you want to go. Uh you could come in and you can observe and then you can find different like how does it work? Like you could just ask anybody a question like you could have a senator that's walking out of uh walking out of a meeting and you can approach them and start asking questions. >> Uh yeah. So senators like you know politicians they don't want to say no. So they have like this hired guy called the handler. And the handler is the guy who's like he's like, "Oh, sorry. The center's on his way to a meeting. Oh, he'd love to talk to you, but he's on like their job is to interrupt and make sure that you know, but usually they'll give it like 10 seconds to see if like like how the exchange starts going and if they don't like the direction it's taking, they'll whisk the guy away." >> Right. >> Um but usually politicians, I mean, you know, they they don't mind talking. They like to talk. >> That's their job. >> Exactly. So yeah, >> they want to get on camera. >> Yeah, >> they have a message. >> So if it's not if it's not the politics that you're following in the Capitol Hill, right? You're following other >> uh events that are happening, I guess, in uh >> in the world in the world of politics. Is you're focusing on >> Jewish politics. Like what is your most focus on? >> I try to focus on things that's going to teach me something new and usually that's not politics. >> For example, what happened recently that you learned that uh something new? >> Okay. um Iran, what happened? Why were there no uh like why was there no um revolution or like why didn't people um why was there no regime change? You know, this is a golden opportunity apparently, right? So, well, I started asking questions. I started, you know, met with some people uh you know, former dissident, people who are, you know, who have connections over there. got in touch with other people through them and uh well it turns out that the government had this contingency in place for such a precise type of moment and they have the bas is their I guess religious police but they serve more than just that um function and you're talking about anywhere between 50 and 100 thousand of them. >> Wow. every major city, all the big streets, they just set up um barricades and they just park themselves along the big streets. You walk out of your house, they're going to ask you for your ID and ask you for, you know, your your passport or whatever. And if they don't like your personality, they could just take you in for questioning. Um if let's say you're like, "Oh, sorry. I got to go get it." They'll say, "Okay, you have two minutes. Go get it and come right back." Or you're like, "Oh, happen to have it on me here." They look at it, they pull out their device. You're like, "Oh my gosh, did I post anything on Twitter in the last 20 years?" Like, "Oh." And they look you up and um if there no red flags, they're like, "Go ahead, enjoy your day." And if a red flag shows up, they'll put you in the back of the van. So now your neighbor sees this happening. What's your neighbor going to do? Your neighbor be like, "Yeah, I don't >> I'm going to stay indoors today. >> Yeah, I'm out of peanut butter, but I think I'll just go plain jelly." You know, right? So right off the bat, you can't move. you can't do anything in that kind of setting. >> Um, >> they're stoking fear amongst the >> amongst the people. >> But it was it was very coordinated, >> systematic though. >> It's very systematic. >> That's the most well rehearsed. It was well rehearsed. >> They knew this was coming. >> Of course. Right. Right. >> For years and that's they're an authoritarian regime. They are the essence of what that means. >> Talk about this part of what you're talking about. >> Right. So this is something that interesting like I was very curious about it. But you ask a politician about this, the politician is not going to give you an answer. They're just going to give you a talking point. They'll give you a a pre-rehearsed answer. And politicians typically walk around with like five or six talking points. Any question you ask them on any topic, they'll segue to one of those answers. >> Um, but when you talk to people on the ground, then you find out actual information that's not out there. So you you start with a question, you start with curiosity and then you see where that takes you. >> Now I see what you're saying, by the way, when you were back in school >> and what you're what you're talking about because you you're not accepting the regular answer. >> You're seeking you're seeking the truth. You want >> He's an investigative journalist. This is literally what he does. This is his vocation. This is his skill set. It's to go out there and uncover the truth. >> Now, this this didn't take much to uncover. It wasn't like I I didn't have to, you know, it's just you just ask them basic questions of people who know. And um the problem is that most people who think they know, it's because they're getting information from pundits who maybe they know, maybe they don't, you know, hit or miss. >> Right. You have to verify these things also, which is difficult to do in a in a world where everybody is just saying their opinion or >> Right. Right. Right. >> They say that it happened because they heard someone say it happened, but you're not you're never sure. How much of what we hear then on the news is actually accurate? You know what's even worse in my opinion? How much of what we read in history books is actually accurate. >> Scary thought. >> Think about it. Um I guess kind of like Twitter brought that out that that anybody with an opinion can go viral and usually more often than not they'll go viral for the wrong reasons and it's not it's just not grounded in anything but they'll have their masle and they'll go viral. So that detail about Napoleon's life that everybody knows came because someone one person spread that detail. Was that person right? Who knows? >> Well, there are there are also uh noted uh historians that write things that were verified, right? So >> William Wallace, we know like practically nothing about his life, >> but yet like entire movies were were built off of his life. So like where does that come from? You know, it's stories I guess you hear. He was this uh Scottish uh revolutionary uh back like hundreds of years ago. I don't know. >> I mean, you brought some sparum with you and you said that um around a year and a half ago, you had some sort of um >> religious awakening. >> I guess revelation. >> I'm actually putting that to script. You didn't say that, but uh >> No. Yeah, you could call that. >> I I'd like to jump into that for a minute because you're talking about history. And the first thing that came to my mind when you said those words, I thought of the Torah. And I was thinking to myself like the Torah is something that's been written and and and uh pro you know uh passed down generation by generation and the accuracy of everything that happens in what we read is always questionable. But you know we base things on witnesses. We base things on uh you know things that are written down that people have seen right. So what do you want to show me? But then what do you do when there's an argument over like to like on a historic thing in Kazal let's say Rav and Schmool Rav says this says that >> well how could they both have happened one of them must be wrong >> right >> right that would be like the cynic and you would would right away say like okay one of them must have missed the boat um one of the thing I realized from from sevadia and then other ser I started learning from there is that it is not just poss possible, but it is the default to you want to describe something in as few words as possible. And so if you could describe something with like multiple layers using only a few words that account for the various different timelines, various different layers, um that is an actual like it's a thing. It's a thing in Kazal where they tried to be concise and so they used they chose a very specific a specific word that translates multiple ways. And you can see how each of the multiple translations are playing out at the same time. >> So it's by design is what you're saying. >> Yeah. It's by design and it's also possible. So um a a very basic example would be was Akash a a genius or was he a Right. So this is Robin Schmool and with Trump I guess you could see both in one guy. He's sometimes he does something we're like, "Wow, this genius." Sometimes he does like, "Oh, what a boy." >> How could he do that? >> Yeah. >> So, um, you could see that and and it makes sense, >> right? >> Yeah. >> I mean, if you had to describe Trump to future generations, how would you describe him? So, if you like him, you might you'd be like, "Come on. Okay, he does some dumb things, but the guy's a genius." And if you hate him, he's like, "Dude, he's a moron." And they're talking about the same guy, >> right? You don't there's no middle ground on this with Trump. It's like either people love him, swear by him, or people are they hate him. >> Yeah. But his point is that it's not just about Trump. It's about anybody in history that you have two different perspectives >> and they can both be true at the same time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, so that's why I wanted to ask you about this safer that you brought because >> I'm very curious about history and and writings and uh you know factual stuff versus stuff that are you know made up so to speak in the history of >> of things that are written. So tell me about this journey of yours. How did you stumble upon this? What is it >> and maybe educate me and the audience as to in general uh the idea of prophecy and etc. >> So I was deeply cynical about everything in life. Um and then what I did for me and the religious awakening that I had as though she referenced is it made me realize that every single word in the Torah is true even if I don't understand what it means and I don't need to understand what it means I can accept it and how did that safer do this for me because I came to the realization that saver was describing in very specific terms exactly what's been playing out in the news over the last couple of years and it als also says what's going to be happening down the line as well in the very near future and I've seen things unfold and as they unfold it's like oh my gosh wow but then a couple months later I'll see another aspect of that same of those same words unfold in a different way and it's like wow he must have described both of these because these are two massive events that fit into the same words and it's it's I'm jumping I think I ahead of myself over here. 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And his partners, all the people there. So it was post October 7th and someone brought to my attention that there's a a reference to the Houthies in Aadia. Now Avadia is the shortest safer in Tanak. It's one per it's the it's the TLDDR safer. It's the safer that a Novi who saw our generation would have known to keep to one paragraph, right? He'd be like, "Okay, guys, 20. I'm sure it can handle it." Um and he wrote it also very concise. He packed a ton of information in there. Um so >> and just my own uh education, who was Oadia? Who was he? He was a prophet. >> He was a prophet. Yeah. So in um there's a safer trayer that is the 12 um shorter prophecies and they were kind of put together into a single safer so that they don't like end up getting lost over the generations because it's just one page of is the of so um and it's the entire safer is just is that and in the safer he talks about one thing and one thing only and that is the collapse of Edom being the coalition that is going to have a monopoly on all the knowledge, all the technology, and then one day they're going to be wiped out of uh they're going to be they're going to lose all their uh influence and all their knowledge. >> Is that America? >> Um that's more broadly understood to mean Western civilization. Mhm. >> Um specifically the what was Asov's like like what was Asov's MO? He was very he was like a very deceitful dishonest person right put on a beckish and it start saying shall about how to take my from salt okay he he always he always pretends to be the you know the good guy. Oh no I love you. Come here. Give me a hug. We're brothers. But really he's he's trying he's going to stab you in the back if you don't watch out. Right. Um he's very into flattery. very into uh he's very disingenuous >> manipulator >> right now these manipulations manifest itself in a few specific ways um Shim Shimai he gets up miss he claps out on the beam and he says you should know when the Romans build bridges and roads they do it for their own sake not for us thank you who didn't know that like who who's he talking to and now he's got a target on his back what why like you said the quiet part out loud. Like don't go to North Korea and say Kim Jong-un is fat. Don't say that. Okay? You know, >> can we say it here because he is fat. >> Okay? But you you can't just just just say the thing that every and like again, what's the point? And he's saying this at the the prime of his life and now he spends the next 12 years on the run. like he he doesn't know like what kind of why is he risking his life saying something that everybody in that generation already knew. So what I came to realize is that there was a message to future generations. How do we know who's Adam? How do we know who's Adam? Edim is a nation that they go all over the world. They pretend to give out aid. They they pretend to be engaged in humanitarian relief and they're only doing it for themselves. they're not really trying to help other people. Now, there will be a generation where they'll call it colonies. There'll be a generation where they call it humanitarian aid, but it's always the same thing. You go to another country, you build up the infrastructure that fits the whatever resource extraction you're interested in, you trickle in a little bit of money for for malaria or whatever, and then you install a puppet regime that works with with your bottom line. And then um I mean, USAD just officially shut down, so we can we can They finally are really >> like as of two days ago. Yeah. >> Oh, that's awesome. >> Yeah. So, but this is this is a a western thing. It's like either go to help or just do what China is doing. Just buy out their debt and then enslave the the country now. Now they they're yours. Do what Qatar is doing. Like be open about it. But no, no, no. We're the good guys. We're just here to help. So he's like there's certain things that never change. And when it was Edom back in Harayer, they had a remanifestation in Rome. And then the third iteration was Western civilization. It's all based on the same core principles. See what I'm saying? >> Makes a lot of sense. >> Yeah, >> I actually do see what he's saying. >> I do see what you're saying. I'm just curious why this prophecy >> is the one prophecy that is, you know, is >> well, he just gave you the first example of this thing with Edim and how he sees this how he sees. >> That's a characteristic. Um, >> but so >> now I was curious as how this one prophecy changed your things that make sense. You would have known this 10 years ago. >> Because I real I'll tell I'll tell you what I realized. What's the realization? The realization was that everything that I learned my entire life, everything that I thought I was interested in, everything that I pursued because I was curious about it was all just to give me the right knowledge set so that I should be able to understand this prophecy because I used to I used to like follow the news like 10, 12, 14 hours a day. And now I'm learning to 10, 12, 14 hours a day because I see because I'm following the news to see where it fits in to different prophecies to see like how it fits in with with Zar's midashim things like that. >> So um it's it's given my life a whole like new kind of meaning and it's also like kind of given me closure on why this profession was perfect for me and like how I got here and what my uh what my role should be moving forward. >> So there there's a question we like to ask our guests. somewhere in the middle of the podcast now would be a great time. Is if you had a message to the world that you can scream out to everyone that can hear you, what would be your message? You could feel free to look in the camera there if you want. >> Yeah, but it's the same message that everybody's already heard from everybody else. >> No, no, no, no. I want what your message I don't want to repeat of everybody. >> I don't have my own message. The the message is >> y >> do chuva before it's too late because there will be a point where the doors shut for good. And the other message is I just feel more personal looking at you guys. >> I was joking about that. >> Okay. The message here is why. So every generation that didn't rebuild the BA mikdash, it's as if they destroyed it. Which means if the B mdash would have been rebuilt a 100 years ago, it would have been destroyed in that generation. Why? For the same reason that it was destroyed in the the the first time and the second time, well more the second time, which was baseless hatred. So how do we retain a mdash throughum doesn't mean loving somebody for no reason doesn't mean pulling over for a guy who has a flat tire like a total stranger with a flat we're doing that we're doing that amazing but that's not is a challenge is loving someone when you have every justifiable reason to hate the guy >> and love him anyway because hate is not about him it's about yourself. So, you shouldn't hate. That's all. Doesn't mean that you should accept or approve. It just means don't hate. Don't hate. Find someone who you have every reason to hate and don't. >> That's a it's a good message. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of tough. I've heard uh this kind of concept before, but when you look at the person, you know, I always I always say there's always five people in this world. I have this thing uh you know, that people always say, "Oh, nobody everyone thinks he's a nice guy." No, there's always five people that think you're a not a nice guy and there's always five people that you think are not nice people. Like everybody has that in this world. So, you want me to take those guys that I think that are not great people in this world and then look at them and say that they are great people, or you want me to say that they're a messenger and therefore I should, you know, uh, let them go scot-free for creating a Ponzi scheme and taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars from our neighborhoods and and and and doing terrible criminal acts and not being in jail even though they should be. Like, I I should look at them as a good thing. Like, that's I'm trying to understand. Um, what does Sam mean? >> I don't know. >> Don't stand idly by when your brother's blood is being shed. Okay. If if someone is causing pain to to someone else, you've got to inform authorities. You can't just let the guy get away with it. That's not that's not obvious. There's society has to has to operate. So, you're making a distinction. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Look, look, if if someone if someone rips you off and and owes you money or whatever, like like I'm not saying, "Yeah, just forgive and just come back." No, that's ridiculous. No, no, no. You took it to a very extreme level. >> No, he didn't. No, that's a reasonable question. >> His messaging was was a reasonable question, but but if you had this question, I mean, other people have this question. So, so it's important to to put this out there. Um, it's more in in the sense of a group of people. If you see a group of people, you're like, I can love anyone but them. You see guy um on on Shabas Wingles waving a Palestinian flag. Triggers you triggers. I mean, doesn't trigger, it's just painful, right? And so what are you going to do? You going to hate the guy? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Why? >> He's an animal. >> Okay. >> He's There's nothing worse than someone who's a self-hating individual. >> Is that Is that Is that what Is that what they're doing? >> I believe so. >> Okay. Have you ever engaged in an honest conversation with them to see if >> I've heard enough? I've heard I've heard it all from them. They're very clear about their messaging. They're not buying it. >> What's the message? I at the end of the day, their message is that they don't approve of the way we go about the Israel state. They don't approve of uh you know h how we are and therefore they're going to side with the antagonists and with the people that are trying to actively kill us. To me, that's unacceptable. You you're you're siding with the enemy even if we're morally not clear and we we are wrong. You don't side with the enemy to the point that they're actually trying to kill us. That's that's very extreme. That means that they're just self-hating. Do you think that their actions has contributed to more Jews being killed? >> No, I don't think they have that much sway. They're just a little tiny little minority that's making noise, but they're no political power. I don't think they have any type of um >> Do you think they're >> there's no legitimacy to them? >> Do you think their action has resulted in maybe fewer Jews being killed? Like when I walk on the street, do you think it's possible for someone to say, "hm, I'm not sure is he on their side or not? You know what? just just to be safe. I'm not going to beat him up. Like conceivably is that could that happen? >> I guess I guess that's possible. >> So So there's more that we don't know. Right. Okay. Now why are they so comfortable? Why are our enemies so comfortable with these Jews? They hate all Jews except for them. Why? >> Because they're siding with them. >> Okay? >> They're conceding to them. >> However, ultimately these people pray the same prayers we pray. They also save. They also save and they also d for the bas. They just believe that the Zionist government is what's holding back the process and they believe that as long as the Zionists are in charge, more attacks are liable to happen. Let's say this is their worldview, right? And so they believe that the sooner the Zionist government suspended, the quicker Jews can be saved. I'm not saying I agree with this. I'm just telling you like the their basic worldview. >> We as Jews have been attacked throughout the dawn of time when we didn't have Israel and we didn't have a basic wherever we were across the globe we were being attacked. It's not like the state of Israel is all of a sudden what the problem is and if we give that up >> no but that's >> then we'll be safe. And I think that's their view is that we're holding back Messiah from coming >> well >> because of we're we're doing it a little too early. We're taking matters into our own hands. Yeah. >> And that's not what right that's what their whole claim is. But if you think about it, we've been in this situation before and before that we've been in the situation forever. >> Yeah. But but this specific situation over the last seven years is unique. It's unique in our history. We we don't have precedent of us taking like control of Israel and Msiah not showing up. We don't have that yet, right? Um but ultimately here's here's what I'm building towards. The reason why they feel so comfortable with our enemies and vice versa is because we could p we keep pushing them away. When we push other Jews away, that gives the Sultan the ammo and that's why they feel very close together. It's it's our hatred that's doing this. If we just accept to not hate and, you know, just >> find ways to love each other. >> Find ways to divide. >> You're not saying you find ways to love them. You're saying find ways to not hate them. That's two totally different things, right? >> Jake, let me ask you a question. What? Why can't they just protest somewhere else? Like why are they protesting with the people that are like from the river to the sea and everything? Like do what you got to do but not don't march with everybody who's so anti- US. That's why that's why it's a challenge. >> March on Route 59 where the Jews are and tell us about it. Why do you have to go stand with the powerly why it's a challenge? >> Otherwise it would be too easy. It's it's meant to be a challenge. Look, I'm old enough to remember when Kabad was was not mainstreamed, when the entirety of the Jewish mainstream pretended that Kabad didn't exist. They were they were conveniently around when you needed to go to Yopus, Nebraska. But other than that, Kabad and as a journalist, I can tell you when I started in in uh in media in 2010, 2011, the unwritten rule of for media was to not to not give any in Kabad Kabad stories. They just they just ignored it. They just pretend that it didn't happen. They they um would there were two breakthroughs. One was the Raashkin case and Rabin from the um and he he started with Rabashkin was mainstream enough that was like the first big kabad story and then the second thing was Ammy magazine. When AMI launched, they they would focus on a different Kabad community every week. I mean, they would focus on a different community and it end up being highlight for the first year, right? >> And in and at the same time when there was like a big story involving like like or whatever, you know, that that put it on the cover and the other outlets realized, hey, we're losing out on I mean, these guys have so many stories out of this one community. And then eventually it started filtering out to others. And now Kabad is completely mainstream. But you know growing up I not going to say it but but I I I remember the things that people were saying about Kabad Barashem we've we've gotten past that >> right. Um there there has to be a group that presents a challenge. And so the the crazier it is, it's like, oh my gosh, on chabas dryals and beards and they're hugging Ahmedad like like how can you get past it? But that's that should clue you in. It's too perfect. It's too scripted. Like of course it's the sultan like like what else? Like you think this would just happen randomly. Of course it's by design. This is the challenge. >> You see what I'm saying? >> I can hear what you're saying. I do think that we've been doing a really good job and I'm not representing all the Jews here talking. I'm not the mouthpiece for everyone, but from what I see, it seems like the inclusiveness ever since October 7th is much more rampant. Sidesh, litfish, modern, yeshivish, whatever it might be. I think we're all realizing more and more that we are all cut from the same cloth at the end of the day. We all come from the same place. We're all hoping to go to the same place. And the unity is much more defined. It's much more recognizable than it was in a very very long time. And I think the state of Israel has has something to do with that because it makes us all feel like we have that home base. You know, we all have that place that we could rely on that when things go south and something goes wrong, we can all default back to that and we have somebody out there, a machine that's going to have our back. That's going to have our back. And so I think that's something really special about it. So if you think if based on what you're saying, the whole Israel movement and and the Zionistic government is actually embellishing the unity for the Jews across the globe. >> More than that, they're also the biggest number one supporter of Torah learning in the world. >> There you go. >> Um so of course, of course, I I I mean I I guess there there are two uh types of religious uh Jews that don't accept Zionism as a movement. Um, one will say, well, you said they're like, look, they are the the biggest protectors of the lives of Jewish people. Yeah, I mean, Hashem, but they're the And the other side will say is like, if they didn't exist, we wouldn't need that much protecting and >> garbage. You know, >> there's no such side. That's garbage. History has taught us otherwise. >> Hold on. Hold on again. So, I'm the straw man. Talk to them. Just talk to them. Invite them. Have one of them sitting here. Maybe not. >> Who's them? Who are they? Who Who says that? Nutarta? I mean, who who is it? Find one of them. >> Okay. >> But I'm saying not not to give them a platau necessarily, but just to pick their brain. I don't know. I don't know. Look, you run you're doing a good job with >> We saw a podcast recently where they had a nurarta guy on there. >> Okay. >> And if you looked at the comment section, >> wait, what kind of podcast was it? >> It was somebody who's like a exhauster and he had them on his podcast >> and they went at it. You >> talking about? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um I think it was his podcast to me. I think so. Yeah. And they went at it and um a lot of the people were very angry that he even platformed this person and gave him a voice to speak. And there were some people that you saw that were actually reforming a little bit towards him saying, you know what, the guy made some decent points. The guy's actually not as crazy as I thought it was. >> They're not crazy. That's what he's guy's actually very clever. He's actually very very logical in his thinking. And uh that's very scary is that, you know, we can grow. This movement can expand. I don't know if that's that's the greatest thing for us. >> It's not expanding, but it's just it has a there's a point there. What he's saying is that we're going back to hating them versus accepting and not >> Yeah. Look, they're they're a reality. They're not going away. >> Exactly. >> You're never going to change their mind. They're never going to change your mind. >> True. >> Accept it. >> But you think like if they apply for Tam Shabas, one of these folks, they wouldn't get it. Like we would still extend our hand to them because they still are Jews. We recognize it. But we don't have to invite them into our homes. No, there are a lot of people who I mean if if someone found out that one of these guys were getting tung shabas, I'm sure there would be a lot of pressure on tung shabas to stop >> to stop it. I mean, that's why they're anonymous, I guess. But, um, yeah. Yeah. That's again, again, again, again again, again again, I know the these are these are very heavy words, but think for a second. Every generation, we always had someone to hate. And this generation and every generation, we were justified. Whoever we hated, who made all the sense of the world, why was a mitzvah to hate them. But just think about it. Think about what would a Satan who has 2,000 years of experience, how would he script such a thing? How would he make it too tempting to to not hate people? >> Yeah. >> Right. >> It almost feel like it's a mitzvah. They hate them. >> They hate them. Right. They're the only group really I think that that could think of right now that that we would say it's a mitzvah. Like some of them shabas would be like, "Yeah, come into our house. Come have a meal with us." Just >> What about What about like the Chuck Schumers of the world? You know, the really hard left-leaning Democrats, the radical Democrats. What about those people? Would you would you put them into that box of uh Notoria? >> See the that's a great question. Um the difference being that notoria claims to have a miser based on Jewish tradition. Yeah. >> That they claim to receive from the fathers and grandfathers and there they trace it back to the dom of World War II era uh Europe and they're like this is the Missouri we have so go fly kite. We're not changing our like this is it like we don't have the luxury of changing even if we wanted to. >> Um Schumer is not it's not a I mean he's ask about George Soros like yeah I mean these are individuals you could judge an individual. It's not a he's you're not judging him as part of a group even though he belongs to a group but that's not what the question is. It's like would you vote for Chuck Schumer or not? Okay that's a fair like conversation. Well what if it's Schumer versus Mamani? Would you still vote for Schumer? like it's a conversation we can have, but it it's not we're not actively pushing away other Jews to the extent that our enemies feel comfortable enough inviting them in. >> You you brought it up, so I'm going to ask you, what's your thoughts on New York? Well, New York represent is one of the beacons of edom, one of the beacons of western culture and western culture is and and again the the disingenuous part of western culture is going to be is going to be wiped out. So um I would not be surprised if New York um ceases to become the the beacon of power and influence in a very short period of time. Um I would say the same about LA. I I did the Ako Langanger podcast a week before the LA fires broke out and I was showing in a where where it talks about how the culture of Edim is going to be wiped out by these raging fires that will burn as um like fire devouring hay. >> So once one piece of hay catches on like good luck. You can't like contain it says in there. I mean, so we uh What's another thing that you're >> But the but but then think about it. The the idea was like it was not wildfire season, right? >> It was in January, >> right? >> And those fires were raging out of control and then you had I mean, how were these fires lit? Like it was all arson. >> Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's well documented. I think when you're saying >> it's not that well documented. A lot of it's been surpris everybody was pointing towards that. There was yeah there um as far as western culture is go westernized culture is going to slowly dissipate and it's slowly going to you know go are you talking about like we're going to be infiltrated by others like for example look at Paris look what happened there >> um it's just a matter of time until justice becomes an extension of the Gulf right of the Gulf Coast. >> That's exactly what he's saying. >> Is that what you mean? >> Um so yeah so so I spells that out a lot more clearly than than just that. So he says that every nation of Edom is going to be punished or or rather will face their end precisely the way they dealt with the Jews throughout their history. So if you look at the countries that are being overrun with with migration right now. Um they're the ones that that had the highest assimilation rates in history where like most Jews were lost out because of assimilation. Also, um the ones that were were very active on expulsion of Jews, like just look out look out for what happens over like uh the UK, France, they were the first ones to expel their Jews. Just saying. Spain, just saying. Um look at look at look what's going to happen to Rome. Watch what happens to Rome, okay? Keep your eyes on Rome. Um, but then the countries in Eastern Europe, assimilation wasn't a problem because like we were like we were like rodents and roaches. Like they weren't interested in us. But yet the Grums, you know, they just wipe out villages for no reason. And then whoever survived will just flee with the shirts on their back. So you got Ukraine, you got Russia, right? So every country is going to meet their end exactly how they dealt with the Jews over their history. And the endgame is going to be that they're going to lose their national identity. They're no longer going to going to like France will no longer be French. Germany will no longer be German. Um they're they're just going to lose their uh their sovereignty and their culture and just their identity. >> Scary. Very scary. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> And I have nothing here to combat that with to say that you're crazy. Like it's unfortunate, but there's it's I'm going to give a little credence to this. It it sounds >> here's the problem. >> You see the writing on the wall almost. You see the writing on the wall >> and and there's no solution because like why why were they why were they inviting all these refugees into the country in the first place because they needed someone to work to pay the pensions. So the way a um writes it, he says there'll be he uses the words um which could be understood to mean two two different things and as I was saying they're two different manifestations could mean the people that will replace you will be people who have no knowledge, no culture, no contributions to society. And the other way is you will see it unfolding and you will you will be powerless to to to stop it like whatever like you're not going to be able to to prevent it no matter how clearly you see it coming. Um so yeah anyway. >> Wow. >> Yeah. This is very heavy stuff. Let's uh let's shift gears. We don't have much time left. >> Well you know one thing on the on the end of this list is uh that I didn't get to is that you authored a book. >> Mhm. Stop dropping lol. >> Yes. >> What is that? >> It's just uh a book with some funny thoughts that I had. >> Oh, a book that you published. You were in the publishing a book. >> It was a It was a It was a humorous book about just how uh I process the world. >> Oh, okay. I guess talking about the world, name some of the places that you've been to throughout your career. Some of the crazier places. You mentioned Saudi Arabia as one. That's pretty crazy, >> especially going in this time is very, very dangerous. Uh, but you weren't obviously with >> I don't think Saudi Arabia is that dangerous >> right now. At the moment, it's not dangerous. >> No, not >> for a guy looking like you for a Jew. >> Well, here's the thing about a country like Saudi Arabia. Okay. I had a stop over in London on the way back. Okay. You know what could happen in London? Someone could swipe your phone. Someone could just sack you in the face for no reason. You go to the cops and they'll say, "Dude, sorry." Like, you're number 800 today. Like, get lost. like um Saudi Arabia and that's not going to happen. You know why? Cuz what do you think happens to someone who who treats a uh a guest to the country like that? Especially someone like if you're not if you're not provoking them if you're just doing your thing, minding your own business, being very nice, respectful to people. Why why would anybody do that? Why would anybody risk uh beheading just to just to to punch a Jew in the face, right? Um, like you are never going to get mugged in North Korea. You're not getting mugged in North Korea. You know, you got to like their trade-offs. >> Yeah. The punishment is not worth the crime. >> Right. >> By the way, isn't that what we always said in New York City is that we need tougher laws, more more law enforcement because that's what that's what you know tell it gives people a much more of a reason not to do crime. And if you have if you're soft on crime, then people tend to run wild and chaos ensues. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're not in a good place right now. >> Yeah. In ter place. So, Saudi Arabia. Okay. That was uh one of the places. Give me some of the other places you've been to. >> Uh Iraq. >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> Yeah. Um I've actually spent a lot of time in Azarbaian over the over the years. >> I've always wanted to go. >> You should. It's fascinating. >> There's a nice Jewish community there, I think. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Um I I mean they have so many Jews that like no one even knows how many Jews live there. >> It's funny Neil Zelman is the one that always tells me we should go and I always look at him like really >> is that in Iraq. >> I looked into it and I'm like wow >> between Iran and Russia. >> Okay. >> Um a a very wealthy country. >> Yeah. You don't hear much about this country. How do you pronounce it? >> Azerbaian. >> Azarban. >> Azarbaian. Um they're very closely aligned with Israel. Um there's a lot of um energy coming from Azaran and a lot of military hardware going to from Israel. So uh yeah it's um >> but it is likely it likely has the largest Jewish population of any Muslim country in the world right now. >> Azaran. >> Aaran. Yeah. More than more than Iran and very possibly more than Turkey by now. >> Have you been to Turkey? >> Yeah. >> Have you been all over the Middle East? >> No. >> But to a lot of it. Where's the place that you want to go? >> H if I wanted to go I would have gone probably >> I mean I I like I I would go I I tried going um to Iran a number of years ago. I applied for a visa. I was rejected four times. >> Um I I wouldn't advise going at this at this time. >> Yeah. You think? Yeah, that makes sense. >> Yeah. No, they're just arresting random people and calling them agents. They're they're just >> of course like yeah they're executing people now. >> You know I want to tell you something first. First of all I really appreciate you coming down here and giving us your background and and your understanding of this uh prophecy. It's you know usually we we talk to people about their background where they're from what they're currently doing what the future holds. With you we got it all in once because we're already you know we know what the future holds right. We got to study this. Uh >> you know I was a very successful businessman by the way. >> Really? >> Yeah. You would have loved him. >> Yeah. Yeah. What did he do? Well, I'll tell you what he did with his money. I don't know how he made his money. >> Okay. What did he do with his money? >> Well, he spent all of it on uh So, you had a and Ahab and Jesus >> Isabel. >> Isabel, whatever. >> Sorry, Isabelle if I pronounce it wrong. Um and um they put out a hit against the prophets. Uh cuz basically they were they were believers in the Bal and there was this power struggle between the Bal and the prophets of Hashem. And so she's like just wipe them out. And so I worked in the palace. He was like the only from Jew in the palace. And he got wind of the idea and he went and he mobilized a hundred prophets and he hid them in these two cave networks. And it was a time of famine. He he spent his entire wealth um on just getting them food and water and and you know taking care of them 100 of them in a time of famine for two years. Think of how expensive that would have been. >> Wow. >> Yeah. And uh and that was that was the the reason why he was he he merited prophecy because of this >> insane sacrifice. One of the prophets that he saved was Alicia, you know. Um, so we're talking about, you know, um, Alovi was his rebi. Leo Anovi was hiding somewhere else. Um, I mean, Alo was the one who who kind of I mean, he he's the one who said, "That's it. No more rain until you guys repent." And um, and that's when that's when the queen was like, "All right, that's it. You got to wipe out these guys cuz they're just going to keep on cursing our empire into oblivion over here. >> Wow. >> So, uh, >> crazy times, man. >> Those are wild things. >> I'd love to sit down and and learn this stuff with you separately because I'm curious where you're getting information from and how it's coming to you. And I'm >> So, I So, this is the safer that I have right here. It's a safer written by the B Saskar. >> It's a safer that nobody heard of because he wrote one safer um on a perish on one safer. That's it. Oh, interesting. >> And in the in his first piece, he talks about the fact that Aadia's prophecy was the most precise of all the prophecies and going through it like a lot of it is heavy Cabala stuff, which like I don't get, but like amongst those there are like pieces that talk very specifically about what's happening today and why it's happening. And it it is it is undeniable in my opinion the fact that he decided to write this that he saw what was going to unfold and he felt that there were certain messages to give over to our generation. So he put it into the safer. It was just this niche thing a tiny safer that no one really you know again think of like a perish of like like how many people are running out to buy that. >> So this is it. this is the one uh book safer to read to understand it more. >> Um it's it's look it's not it's not easy read. He he writes also very briefly and you also really need to know the news. The the crazy paradox here is that like I've tried learning this with like like big rabbis and and you know unless you're a rabbi who also knows the news, you're not going to understand it. >> Yeah. >> You have to know the news. >> You're able to mix and match and and >> you have to know both. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm I'm fascinated by this. I can't wait to learn more about it. You're opening my eyes to uh new things and I'm definitely going to learn it uh you know more about it. Uh if you can give me a half an hour slot of your time, I would love to. Uh >> we could do it I could do it on the drive back. >> Okay, I'm in. So, let's do that soon. Um >> but I can give you a TLDDR now, right? I can give you just a basic >> Yeah. >> like synopsis. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> What did you say? Give you a what? A TL. What did you say? >> TLDDR. Too long didn't read. That is uh slang for just give me the bullet points. Like I'm not reading the whole thing. Just just tell it to me. Tell it to me in a >> in a sentence. >> Uhhuh. >> Try. >> So uh yeah. Well, not in a very long run on sentence. >> So he's talking to Edom at a time when So Edom and the Jewish nation were allies and they went to war against Mov. And there was this incident that happened there and Edom couldn't vent their frustration out of Mov because they were behind the Walt city. So they just let it out on the Jews. Um and then they became enemies since then. Um when the first B mikdash was destroyed instead of Adam coming to our rescue and what like we were brothers essentially was a convert from Edom. So in his generation, it wasn't such a crazy thing for someone from Edom to show up in a Jewish town and then say, "Hey, I want to become Jewish." And boom. But then from then on, so this led to their um collaboration with the first destruction and their actual carrying out of the destruction of the second temple, but under their shell company, which was Rome, which eventually way overshadowed the original Edom. And so he was speaking to a generation. So so that was the context of of what he was speaking. And so he was saying he says like this. He says you know right now you started out as a very small nation. You're not um this is actually in the DAF few days ago. Um he says you're a small nation. You didn't have any like you didn't have a lot of territory. You didn't have your own currency, your own language, your own script. like no no no one really looked at you and then one day you're going to look around and you'll see that you're at the top of the world and you're ruling through Rome your capital city he he says the words mir from Rome your seat of power and lived a century before Rome was founded just to put that into context he says and he going to say who could possibly destroy me there there's no way who who could bring me down to earth and so he says wait until you rise up like an eagle And until you have bases among the stars and only from that peak of power will Hashem bring you down to your final destruction. When when you have a monopoly and all the knowledge, when you have the most powerful military, we have everything's in your favor and that's when you'll be wiped out in a very short amount of time. So how will this happen? He says when you see thieves and are you allowed to say rapists? When you see thieves and rapist entering your country, what what are you going to tell yourself? You going to say, "Oh, don't worry. They're just coming to like loot a CVS just, you know, I mean, they're coming for the healthcare." Like, what are you going to tell yourself? You know who these people are. You know why they're coming? They're coming to wipe out your civilization. But, but you're going to justify it somehow. You'll say, "Oh, yeah. I got a military. I got a police force. I got a judicial system. We're the most powerful empire in the world. It's no way these guys can." He says, "How thoroughly will Edom be wiped out? Not only will their entire culture be be eradicated, but even their deepest secrets will become exposed to the public. And what will be the inciting force? The soldiers will be drawn to an incident over the border. And while the soldiers are on the border, the fifth column from within will destroy all the major cities. They will message, they will send out messages to each other and say, "Edon is vulnerable. Here's our chance." and they will wipe you out. Why will Edom have such a humiliating um like like what will be the reason or what what will lead to this? So he says because of their because of their support of a an incident called kamas against the Jewish people. There will be this event called a kamas. Their punishment will be they will be inundated with humiliation and they will be cut down from power forever. So >> uses the word kamas. >> He used the word kamas. So you look in tar. How does he translate kamas which means hostages are the hostages of Gaza. He uses the same word that we're using to describe hostages today. He says it will be something involving hostages. And the next clarifies exactly what that event's going to be. Because what happens is Edom Edom's like, "Wait a second. Us? No. Kamas is they're them. It's not us talking about." And so the Ni's like, "I got this. Okay. Remember the day you stood against the Jewish people?" Which day? the day when foreigners took his people captive and strangers broke down his walls and they said, "Hey, we're going to liberate Jerusalem." From that day, you were already against the Jewish people. So the Benaska says that what's going to happen is Adam is going to be behind this kamas, but like quietly, you know, secretly because that's how they always do. They're they're, you know, they they operate, you know. Um, and if you look at who all the biggest funders of Hamas were, they were the United States under Joe Biden, Europe, and Iran. Where did Iran get all their money from? >> Right. From the West. So, what en what facilitated all this? UNRA. What's UNRA? UNRA is an Edom entity. The UN is Edom. It's an Edom territory. It's Edom's culture. They pretend to go all over the world to help everyone, but they're not. They just give a seat at the table to all the worst um regimes. They're not they're not try they're not actually pretending to help anyone, but but they still act as if that's that >> they're masquerading as the good guys and they're trying to be in a lot of ways, but >> wow. I defeat is coming from within. >> You know, I'm going to probably have to listen to this again in order to understand better, you know, and like I said, I'm going to take some time with you and and it's it's fascinating stuff. uh the idea of Edome and and just it's almost scary but at the same time >> let me show you something. Let me show you something inside. >> We have to wrap up. Um >> I'll show you one piece. Okay. >> Few minutes. >> Yeah. Uh so >> but I I want you to see it inside so that you'll see that I'm I'm not just making Look, I >> worth each a copy. >> That's so nice of you by the way. Really? Thank you. >> Thank you. Sure. Um I I I have a um >> I don't know how much of this is going to be on the podcast because nobody's going to be able to see us reading and so on. But so then they're they're invited to uh to find a copy themselves. I'm just going to show you one piece. I'm going to just show you one piece. >> Okay. Um on page Kuf Alf. >> Okay. >> Do you know how to find Kuf Alf? >> It's actually it's after Kuf. >> Exactly. >> Before Kuf. >> Okay. So the bold letters are Yeah. >> Okay. So I'm just going to try to do this quickly. Right. So he says um and if someone says there's no wisdom among Adam, don't believe him. Ed is going to have a lot of a lot of wisdom. He says there's going to come a time when all of the knowledge and he lived 200 years ago. He lived before the industrial revolution. He says there's going to come a time when all of the knowledge all the will go only will be able to draw down. And so all of the the inventions, all of the technology, everything and he says the rest of the world. So and and so the rest of the world only has their knowledge through Adam and it's as if Adam is dispersing this knowledge and so like they all come to use our universities and you know and they get degrees from our institutions >> and then he says no further they're going to form a coal coalition of all the nations in the And that is referred to by the novi as har. So when it says har as it doesn't mean the mountain of as it means the coalition of as the coalition of asov is a coalition of all the nations in the world >> United nations. >> Very good. >> Right. And he says he says these are four nations that put us through exile and these nations have to be judged at the same time. So what Hashem did is he he's going to create this coalition of all the nations in the world which will include these four random nations. Edom well Edom is not a nation. Edime is like a whole coalition in and of itself and then Bavl Yavan Mai. How else are you getting a coalition with these random parts players in the world? So if it's a coalition of all the nations in the world already anyway then however you slice it these guys are all going to be part of it. Now what I realized is Har five r 200. How many um members are there of the UN? You have 193 countries. You have two um observer like states. You have Palestine and Vatican. Then you have two other that have like a different kind of status like two islands off New Zealand who are who are non state non-member observers or something. Uh, and then you had um I think you had uh I think two or three that that were members and lost their membership, but it totals up to 200 and then you have the veto power nations that have the real control on the security council. That's five. Hey R. He's saying the five and the 200 are as >> see. So um so that when it says he's literally talking about they're going to be judging this coalition of the UN is going to be is is going to sit judgment in front of uh before uh before Mashiach. >> I need to know how this ends. >> Well, it how does this all end? Mashiach. >> It ends with >> how how Mashiah what Mashiah what's what's the climax of this story? >> Okay. The climax of the story is Jewish unity when when the um the religious and the I guess everyone else um I'm not going to say irreligious because I mean whatever when when the the two ma major schisms in Israel unite completely and entirely then our enemies are just going to fall apart on their own. we're not going to have to do too much um effort and uh they are going to they're just going to melt away and um and then we win the war. You know, I mean there are things that haven't happened yet, you know, could >> speculate, but that's not >> uh Jake, this was awesome. Before before we let you go, we always um have uh an opportunity for you to ask us any questions if you have and uh we'll open the floor to you if you have any questions for us for a second. >> Oh my gosh, you make this too easy. What's up with a watch? >> I'm a swatch watch guy, so I like to switch my watches and every time I leave Israel, I buy one. So, um, it just reminds me of the time that I was there. >> Quite a collection. >> What about for Oshi? You have anything for Oshi? >> How do you get such beautiful hair? >> No, >> you know exactly what to say to him. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> No, only because we're wrapping up though. I we always ask our guests if they would recommend anyone that would be able to sit in this chair and do as a great as a job as you did or someone that would uh fit our profile. Who is someone that you would know that you would potentially recommend to follow in uh in sitting in this chair >> before? >> No, no, no, no. Tomorrow, >> Kim Jong-un, >> if you could get him down here, I mean, can I can I like just can I stand where he's standing and >> Yeah, right. >> just chime in. I'd be very curious. There are a few things I'd want to ask myself. >> Yeah. But who's someone that you can uh recommend to bring on? >> What kind of answers do people usually give to >> someone they know? They pick a person. Someone they know. Someone that you think is a fascinating person. Someone that you think is an interesting person. >> Someone that you think that can lend a story and help us grow with our mission. >> Let me think. So like I'm going through my entire head. >> I love it. I wish you could spit out all the names that you're thinking of. >> Yeah. But I have to now narrow it down to one. So, it's like a competition. Right now, I'm like I have to figure out who qualifies for like the >> final. What would it be? What would it be if you spit it out? No, we won't hold it against you. >> I'm I'm trying to think what would fit your your audience. I'm not just going to spit out. >> All right. Then you'll let us know. You'll let us know. It's okay. >> We'll let you know and then I guess you'll post it in the comments. >> Thank you so much for coming, Jake. We really appreciate it. Thank you for all of our likes and subscribers and our comments. >> And all seriousness, I've been a big fan of yours uh ever since you got very a lot of notoriety. I'm a bigger fan since your new um you know >> revelation I would say. >> So uh thank you so much for coming on board. That's a wrap. >> That's a wrap. Wow.