Tisha B'Av: Holocaust Responsa - Sha'alos from the Abyss

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com welcome everyone uh tonight's already a few days before Tish above we're ready uh Zion of and as we approach uh Tish above as the period of the three weeks is coming to an end we start to feel the period of the availas more and more intensely and we start to try to awaken ourselves and feel in a more real sense the Sorrows of the Corbin and all the resultant difficulties that our nation has experienced over the last 2000 years and uh the sorrow that is closest to our hearts and most recent in history is uh the Holocaust which was only 70 years ago and very hard to comprehend this period in history and tonight is not a historical uh lecture but we would like to discuss it from more of a halachic standpoint to learn about some of the questions that were raised in those years of Darkness um the fact that there were even around to ask questions too that itself was a miracle the truth is there weren't that many rap on him that you're able to ask kalaka questions too the fact that anybody could have the wherewithal and have the composure to ask Shiloh that itself is a miracle and we're gonna deal with a number of questions and the purpose of learning these questions and answers not to say well well how come they didn't do this or how come they didn't do that that's not the purpose of the sure we can't even imagine how they woke up one morning how they lived one hour one minute under those conditions we'd like to just get a feel for some of the things that they were thinking about some of the things they were dealing with and along the way maybe learn some very important principles uh the most of the shirt tonight comes from the set of sarum shouts chances one of the Lithuanian rabonim who lived in uh he was in The Cove in the ghetto and one of the main addresses to halachrik inquiries during those years of Darkness he wrote what is now five volumes of we're the most outlandish questions you cannot even dream of he was posed with during those years and uh it's just mind-boggling some of the issues that he was able to respond to without sparm without Mara mcclamo set his disposal and how he was able to direct and uh and be moirodara to these uh those who are suffering under those conditions the first question we like to deal with tonight is and he tells us it's very interesting and some of the questions the questions are longer than the answer because as part of the question raval Shri gives us the background and the conditions that that the person asking the question was enduring so here he writes that how our our world was darkened for us how terrible our tragedy was terrible angels and these of course he says were there the cursive Nazis the cursed Germans and he explains how there was a certain uh allotment of work that they had to do in the ghetto and then all of a sudden one day the Germans decided whatever the allotment was well you need to do that during the day and another group needs to do the exact same thing at night so the allotment of work had doubled on them and says ravashri it was the eve of the most bitter day on the Jewish calendar of that day of Doom the day that yerman cursed cursed the day that he was born hear me of course was born on Tish above he cursed the day of his birth and year Mia Novi putting a clue on that day for all of history now Tish above is a day of disaster a day of Doom and it's tishma of the Year 1942 and says ravashri we all gathered in the house he gives us the address of nothing of its on the street the vitana seven from Arif and he says to mourn and bemoan the faith of all of those Fallen throughout all the years of Sorrow all the years of tragedy and he says specifically to mourn and lament the destruction of kahilas litailem sadikim and we were davening mariv and we were saying and suddenly the doors of the basaknesses are stormed open and the Nazis the SS the zikram they run in they start grabbing us they start seizing us they start beating us they said you haven't provided enough people for the knock ship for the evening uh allotment and they start grabbing us we're off to the air Air Force we're off to the airport to do work on the airport actually one time I don't think I even ever said over the story here on the show One time my grandfather and his brother haynox they were on a selection line with mangala and it was unclear what the Fate would be whether they were going to go lakhayam or or the opposite and at the last moment you know they asking my grandfather what do you do so the last thing my grandfather was a Rob did you say you're a rub that's it that's you know your last moment and suddenly my grandfather's brother says we are the best team of airplane mechanics in all of Europe and he in fact was an expert uh very technical very very Adept with his hands my grandfather probably never picked up a wrench in his life and they were put to work on airplanes and um uncle Hannah would be fixing the plane and my grandfather would be making believe that he was uh doing something with the air everybody apparently a lot of the forced labor were at airports and says revashi they grabbed us They seized us and they see Jews what are you doing you're praying for the future rebuilding of the temple you have no future there won't be a temple and they grab us off to the airport to work the entire night now they hadn't slept the whole day they were doing the day shift and they were working them the entire night for 12 hours they were beating them they were they were whipping them and blood was coming forth from their bodies and they were moaning they were groaning on the on the day of Doom on the most tragic day of the year here they're being forced to work the whole night but at least they had what to look forward to at least they knew in the morning they would be replaced by the morning shift and the morning comes and the Nazi said today there is no morning shift you're the morning shift and after awaiting that hour the entire night many of them collapsed many of them did not awake to not awaken and they came to me people came to me are they allowed to fast should they fast and sure enough says ravashi will I posskinned then on that day they're not allowed to fast but they need to eat the allotted portion of bread and they need to eat they you snuck what's do you snuck the you snuck is the the black porridge the black soup that the Nazis provided them with and sure enough those who are able to endure this next day shift they in fact did not fast that year on Tish above 1942. and then they come to ravashri who would even have the composure to ask such a question we're going to be making breakfast Amazon we're going to be benching should we say nothing that was what was on their minds after working the whole day Arab Tish above after working the whole night Tish above after working the whole day Tish above 36 hours and they want to know should they say nothing and that was the question presented to ravashri well let's just get a little background into the hello if you look in Simon tough Cliff nonsai number two on your sheets the Macabre paskins on Tish above it says you say nothing the Macabre does not say you say it in chakras he doesn't say you say that he doesn't say you say them which means you just say nothing if you're davening on Tish above the opinion of the mahaber by the way based on the rambam is that you say and that is the time that we need the most now very interestingly the Machado is going like the opinion of the rambam and the Ramo almost none of the we shine them say they should only say nachem minhat time in fact the rush writes that his entire life he was matamiya he couldn't understand why don't we stay Nothing by all the Shema X-rays of of Tish above and therefore what do we do la Misa when it comes to Nakia well saradim says Robert Yosef sardim should follow as always the shita of the mahadur I know a lot of people are shaking their heads but I don't do that and by the way that you must says in this instance follow the minogada Rama because Rama says you follow the rambam is a little bit questionable why should it be that you only say nachem so now the issue is what about Comes The Ramones anyone who eats Tish above and you should say now the remote doesn't say only if you're eating a meal time there are not just says a blanket statement if you're eating on Tish above and you're going to bench then you say nachem so therefore says ravashri really the correct thing to do would be to say nothing in every Elementary but when it comes you should go back and follow the Macabre you should go back and follow the rush you should follow the book safe that any time you have a meal on Tish above you should say and that was who never had to break their fast they were being tortured they need to say nahim in all of these and all of the different Muslims that they make on Tish above by the way just like the mishaburra passed again similarly if you take a look at number three the mishavura concurs says that if you're benching on tishva anybody if their wife is not fasting by the way the opinion of is that somebody whose wife is pregnant does not fast this year on Tish above because it's uh it's a uh it's a or if somebody is this year it's much more lenient on Tish above but um so if they would be eating and benching then the hell up would be they should say knock him in all of the in all of the samosas now the mission Brewer brings down very interestingly Mr Murr brings down the opinion of the gruff the girl doesn't like the idea of saying I'm not going to be masaki in a special insert just in case you have to violate the fast but nevertheless the sacrament seems to agree is that if you're going to be benching on Tish above the halacha is you would say even if you're not eating minha time even if you're eating chakras time even if you're eating already the marav the night of tishua so this was uh question number one that we want to deal with this evening second question this is okay number four on your sheets it's this 27th day of hello okay 1941. and the Jews in the Covenant ghetto again they're working in the airport and the Germans gave the following decree that every day the Jews need to supply 1 000 workers to work at the airport and what do what are we going to give you to eat you get a little let them you get a little bread and you get pickle soup what's pickle soup what's a piggle you have a horse he dropped dead a car ran over him his leg went flying out into the forest so you take the foot of the horse and you throw it into the soup then you're driving down the road and there's a dead skunk on the side of the road you throw it into the soup then there's a raccoon that's been laying in the forest you have to chase away like 50 vultures on top of the wreck you throw it into the soup that's what's pickle soup is that's what they gave them to eat and says ravashri naturally there were many yiddin who could not bring themselves to eat this tray for soup now again this is 1941. they weren't yet this was just the beginning of uh of the war in Lithuania the Jews then they were somewhat healthy they hadn't been imprisoned that long yet they were still considered baguette they were still healthy and the question is were they allowed to eat this soup after all this was the only food that was being given to them as they were working and then finally says they came to him between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and the question that was presented to ravashi was here it is we don't even need can they eat the tray for soup to give them some sustenance what's the very important question and this is a tremendous piece of halacha that you need to know and the question is what is the definition of right now they were strong they were robust they were healthy they were not sickly they had not been tormented nothing would happen to them today if they don't eat the soup maybe nothing would happen to them tomorrow if they don't eat the soup or even the next day but if they're gonna refrain from eating today and then tomorrow and then the next day it will lead to a weakening of their of their systems it will cause them to become which could bring on us illness and ultimately it could lead to a situation where foreign that that situation would weaken them that it could bring to endangering their life it's because now or do we project what could be take a look at the gamar and Yuma that Peg says the number four somebody is sick on Yom Kippur and says I need to eat if I don't eat I'm gonna die and the doctor says you don't need to eat nothing will happen to you if you don't eat what's the halacha you listen to the you listen to the ill person why says the gamara everybody knows the pain of their heart you know better than the doctor doesn't matter how many years of schooling the doctor has if you think you're going to suffer you're going to endanger your life by not eating we trust you says what if you say you don't need to eat and the doctor says you do need to eat says the gemara you listen to the doctor ask the Gamal why would you listen to the doctor don't you know better no tunve maybe you're Delirious maybe you think you don't eat it but your your mind you're hallucinating so either way we listened to the doctor and we listen to you both lookula the rush then brings down an opinion what's considered second the rush says there are those who says if the doctor says that if you don't eat on Yom Kippur you should know if you don't eat on Yom Kipper the doctor says then tonight you're not going to go by be buying a little of an s-rig you're not going to go build your sukkah you know what you're going to be doing you're going to be laying there unconscious is going to be washing you that's what's going to happen to you if you don't eat on Yom Kippur only then says the Russian the name of summary only that is but says the rush nah I don't buy that that's not that's not because no doctor is going to tell anybody you have to eat on Yom Kippur and if you don't eat today you're gonna drop dead a second fdm Kipper's over no doctor knows that nobody would ever say that it's not true nobody would ever die not from just not eating on Yom Kippur says the rushby clock in the flushes that if you don't eat on Yom Kippur it could weaken you and that it could ultimately bring you to a situation where your life will be endangered if a doctor says look if you don't eat it could lower your resistance it could bring you to a level where you're endangering your life says the rush that is and by the way says the tour concurs with the rush and therefore what do we see from here definition of fascist is not if you don't do this you're gonna die immediately is even projected into the future if you don't eat the food it can weaken you and it could bring to a situation where your life will be in danger that's also go on the process and therefore yes these people working in the airport they don't eat today nothing will happen so they don't eat tomorrow nothing will happen but if they're going to be resistant of eating the tray food their systems are going to be weakened they're going to be endangering their life they're going to be putting themselves in a situation where their life is endangered I told them they need to eat the food they need to eat the pickle soup but maybe you'll make the following case it's not exactly parallel to this situation why not because when the doctor tells you need to eat and if you don't eat your systems could be weakened and it could bring to because right now the person even though his life is not on the line at least he's something he's ill so since he's ill and the illness could get worse and it could ultimately lead to Sacramento so that's cool but if you have a healthy person who says that we could start projecting that if you don't eat the food you're going to become unhealthy and your life will be endangered it's a completely different scenario you could only prove that we project into the future about someone who right now is considered but you can't you don't have any proof that we're going to project into the future someone who is a Bari someone who's a healthy person I think I found a Clear Proof in shots again like every matter of you know people say I have this feeling about this issue it's very nice you're entitled to your feelings but it has nothing to do with halacha There is almost no issue in Judaism that there is not a Gomorrah from which we derive a clear response I I think I feel you ever learn crisis so how do you know the answer to the question nine what can you feel what do you feel based on I feel based on social issues that in America in 2015 okay if you learn Shas with Rashi and toys to send the Russian around them then probably there's an answer somewhere there there's no touchy-feely about any matters in Judaism these included if we don't have a precedent from they can allow the people to eat it's not a matter of uh of educated guessing but he says I think I do have a clear proof in shots that it would be permitted for these people to eat and that's the following the more famous says the gemara Omar of Huna but if you want to follow along around page two we're about three quarters of the way down on the right hand side a guy is walking in the desert he's fired darbin in the desert he's lost he doesn't know where he is he doesn't know what planet he Planet he's on he doesn't know what day of the week it is he lost track of time there's no service to his phone or maybe he just has he doesn't have Verizon or something right I'm not gonna insult your phone company this time okay he doesn't have service so he does notice it's Sundays and Mondays a Tuesday what should he do says the gemara the gemara brings down opinion of rafuna he counts six days and the seventh day he keeps that Shabbos says the gemara what is he allow to do during the week he can only do the bare minimum so on Sunday the day he thinks the Sunday the day he counts as one let's say he knows to keep alive he needs one slice of pizza and two pieces of sushi let's say you know that that's what will keep him alive in one day anything more you know he doesn't need anything less he'll die so he's only allowed to work to make that amount of food and after he makes that amount of food he's now doing because it might be Shabbos he can't work for Monday he can't work and then Monday comes along and he's allowed to work for whatever he needs to keep himself alive for Monday and no more and then Tuesday comes along he's up fine and then on Shabbos he can't work at all so come on asking what are you doing Shabbos drop dead you wanna says no Shabbos he can also work the bare minimum to keep himself alive if he could work on Sunday and work on Monday work on Tuesday Wednesday so then he's doing the same thing every day of the week what's weekday and what Shabbos see what says there's no difference the only difference is on Shabbos he makes kiddish and on child that she makes half dollar okay okay that's the maisa so says continue to say what if you happen to have some food in your backpack then the first day you can't work and if you have a little more food and you can work the second day until you need the food what if you're a strong guy and you could survive one day of fasting you could fast one day should you fast one day so there is an acronym he quotes the safer toys for Shabbos for Shabbos holds that if you could survive fasting one day fast for one day however all the aquarium argue the big day yesha says no no even if you could fast one day don't fast get out of that far door in a desert as quickly as possible because every day you're there you're endangering your life yeah but today I'm a healthy guy I'm not ill I'm not sick I'm not endangered so why shouldn't the guy fast that day so says Revolution you see from here that it's not only for the sick person not only for the koila that you start projecting into the future what will be if they don't eat the food it's even a healthy person it's not a matter we don't look at your situation now we determine based on what could be in the future and if you continue this way you could lead yourself to a situation where you're endangering your life and therefore of usri poskin that these people they could be robust they could be healthy even if they're not if they're going to keep up this this I'm not eating the tray food ultimately it's going to harm them then starting on day one already they need to eat the trade food and says you should know I spoke to the going of kavner of deutsberg Kahana Shapiro and he also was masking then when it comes to because we don't look at you now we project what it could lead to okay then you take a look question number three this is in number five on your sheets a lot of people working in the airport and the people working in the airport they would beat them they would torture them they would kill them and someone had an opportunity to get a job in the kitchen he's going to be one of the pickle soup Cooks and he's gonna be sitting there in the kitchen eating that yabuska soup now if you're in the kitchen first of all conditions were much better you could have as much of that wretched soup as you like and you have a much better shot at uh surviving the problem is first of all you're gonna have to be cooking Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday in Shabbos Shabbos the is if you cook on Shabbos intentionally you can't eat it no Jew could eat it if you cook with sugar nobody could eat that soupan Chavez so very nice he's gonna be getting a comfortable job with the pickle soup number one he's gonna it's gonna cause into Mahalo Chavez number two could he even eat the soup that he cooks on Shabbos and to that ravashi recommended try as hard as you can to get the job in the kitchen now listen carefully if somebody's life is on the line and they do malacha it's not an isra day rice anymore why not because if the reason you're doing a malacha is not because you want to do the malacha it's because you want to save your skin so you're doing the malacha for a different reason it becomes what is called it's only used it's not even Instagram you get the job in the kitchen eat as much soup as you can and there's no prohibition and there's nothing wrong with eating the soup on Shabbos you're forced to do it and that is quite quite obvious very painful question is in a helical of cement and number six on the sheets this question came up Olive Nissan Tufts and Bays 1942 and the question was the only way certain Jews felt they would be able to save their life is if they got fake papers now we're not talking about getting a passport of a non-jew or a Visa we're talking that specific kind of paper conversion papers are you allowed to get a paper that says that you've forsaken the Jewish religion you converted to Christianity to save your life you're not going to survive the Zara you're going to be Imam in bashem you're going to keep all you're going to do is get a document that says you converted and upon need you're going to present it says ravashri it's Usher foreign could they have done it why did they do it we don't even understand how they lasted one second we're talking about in the strict halachic sense cannot get a paper that says you convert to in other words why says revashri the rambam says in the safe around mid-slice that there's a Mitzvah Dai rice to sanctify the name of God which means says the Rama that we are commanded to spread as much as possible the true belief of Hashem in the world and you cannot even say something to a gentile to trick him into thinking that you've forsaken the true God because that is and for that it's yeah and therefore Cesar of usheri in this situation it is not unfortunately permitted to get any kind of paper that declares that a Jew has forsaken their religion to join another faith I but everybody knows where am I says that if a guy asks you point blank what religion do you belong to there are ways of squeezing out of it however even the Rama says very clearly that is only if you say something that could have two connotations where you say one thing and the guy understands you to be saying you're a gentile but what you really mean to be saying is you're a Jew but if it is clear as they that what you're saying is that I am no longer a member of the Jewish faith everybody agrees it's not permitted to do that in fact Israel that if the only way you could save your life is to say I am not a Jew because okay we're not talking about visas we're not talking about passwords we're talking about conversion papers now it would not be permitted holacically now very interestingly many times when people would come to rabbanim and I'll show you later and ask them shyless you know what the rabbanim would say do what you want and they would be pressed but Ravi tell me what I should do tell I want to know what is that time to say and the people say if you don't tell me I'm going to take that as a no and the Rev would say make believe you never asked me so now we're not we're not dealing with what the rabbanans said there we're dealing with objectively just philosophy what would the halacha be in a strict sense you cannot use a conversion paper even to save your skin another heart-wrenching question terrible question gimmel Nissan Dallas Nissan tuftion valid 1944. word spread that the Germans were conducting kinder axian they were going to be wiping out all the children in Lithuania Unfortunately they did a very good job in Lithuania as good of a job as they did in Poland and in Hungary the best job they did is in Lithuania not so many people who could say yeah I come from Lithuanian descent yeah there are there are there are but it's not most people they come from Russia from Poland from Hungary and the question is the Jews had three ways to save their children number one they're going to take the baby they're going to put a little bag under the under the bassinet and they're going to put in the knapsack this kid was born to Gentile parents and they abandoned him that's the only way and leave the kid either by the home of a gentile or by a monastery so the only way they would be able to save their children to ride on a piece of paper this child is a gentile the parents can't care for him anymore can't care for them anymore or many Jews wanted just to take their kids give them to the monastery give them to the priest and the stewardessa third eights it was could we take the kid bring him to the guy and say look we hope we'll survive we hope we'll see you again please take care of my child until I return but not knowing if one would ever return what does the question come down to question comes down to the following children are not obligated in mitzvos and another thing you should know is that when it comes to the fast of Tish above tamos at least as far as I know for ashkenazim says there are three things that people think you have to do three times and they're all wrong all three of them are wrong one of the things that people think you have to do three times is that a kid has to fast three times the first bar mitzvah there's no such thing at least not in Judaism you don't train a kid to fast dish about once the fast an hour in the morning desert I don't know about this I can't tell you about this father I'm not sure I believe it's the same thing and the question is children don't have an independent Mitzvah of uh of any myth so it's only sinus on the parents is a child included in the midst of would a child have to sacrifice their life to sanctify God's name and you could say would a child who does risk his life is that even sanctifying the name of Hashem is a child in the Parish of there is an amazing Ramba the rambam says that is unique in all of the writing of the Ramba call Base Israel mitsuvin Al-Qaeda shashem the entire house of Israel the entire Jewish people is included in the midst of them the rambam usually says what's called base Israel the realm of nowhere ever ever says Paul basis by the way if you look in the emissileak of kamenetsky I'm um I believe and in many of the first one the rambam they're all madike the same thing the lotion of Kobes Israel proves that even children are in the Parish of killer shashem in other words if a child has such a holy nashama that they are offering to sacrifice their life for the sake of God a child has the ability to be Mercado even another Point another proof to this is that we know that if it's something in public that even if it's not one of the big three even if it's not one of the Cardinal three but if it's a public sin in front of 10 people you have to give up your life not to violate what type of people constitute a public how you have 10 people what if you have eight adults and two kids is that a minion yes Rabino Tom says you don't need godylam even Katana why because even katanim are in the Parish of kidish Hashem and the proof is very there are a number of very interesting proofs one is from a medrish in echra the matter of says is following that there was a tops of Lucerne General who wanted a woman and Her Seven Sons to bow down and she wouldn't bow down and the oldest one bow down the next one by the next and finally there was this little child and the mother had to rip him off from nursing and the general says to the child will you bow down and the child was moistur Hashem so we see from here that the union of kedish is not limited it's the only Mitzvah in the Torah that a child is part of another proof a timely proof tomorrow says in Gideon tomorrow says 400 boys and girls were being taken to Rome to be violated and when they got wind of all was going to happen to them first the girls ask the following question little girls if we commit suicide will we have a and they darshan yes me Boston will seek you out on the bottom of the sea and reconstitute your molecules and bring you into Ganesha and the girls jumped off the boat and then the boy said the following what would be so terrible if these girls were violated after all it's against their will and it's a natural way how will we be violated said the boys if the girls jump over we're gonna give up our life not to be violated something that the Supreme Court of the United States doesn't understand little Yiddish kinderlock where moisture five-year-olds understood look how twisted the world has become something that little Yiddish gave up their lives for people are unsure about today people are open-minded to what a Corbin we live in what a Corbin but says with usri says what we see from here is that even children are included in the Mitzvah of and therefore he passkins to give over a child to a monastery to a guy to a kaimer you have to be moissam you cannot give up the child if the child is going to be raised to be a member of another faith however what if you go to the guy and you say do me a favor watch my kid watch my kid I'll be back not knowing if you'll ever be back says ravashri under these circumstances I told them they're obligated to do it why ain't suffix because in Lithuania if you hold on to your children it's not 80 percent it's not 90 it's not 99 no children survived and if you give it to the guy who knows says ravashri maybe you'll make it through and even if you don't make it through maybe your brother will take your kid back maybe your cousin will take you to that all of Claus says we know what happened after the war many rabbonian would go into these homes and they would snatch and take back either Shekinah my grandfather writes in his Memoirs that after the the war with Herzog went to the pope and he said you know could you issue a statement to that all the monasters or the Gentiles should relinquish their Jewish wouldn't listen wouldn't listen but many rabbana were successful in uh retrieving many of the kinderlach and therefore ravashri pask and under those circumstances who would be permitted okay let's do one more before the final one the this next one we'll try to do very briefly it's a question about whether everybody knows for the big three for the Cardinal three a person is obligated to risk their life for another Mitzvah a person not allowed to risk their life let's say a guy comes to you says look you see this Hugo Boss uh suit which is mole shotness every stitch in this suit a shot is put it on now otherwise you got to put on the suit what if you want to be much in that fish you're not allowed to be myself it's like you committed suicide were they permitted were they permitted to risk their lives to learn Tyra to teach Tyra barabim to Davin with minyanim or maybe they shouldn't have what how do we view that so there's a very long discussion here and for the sake of brevity says that it certainly could be considered Ahmad it was a time where the Germans didn't want to just obliterate our bodies but they wanted to obliterate the source of Our Hope which was who did they go after first they went after the admiram they went after the Russia Yeshiva they went after the rabbanim somebody told me then the Agoda archives there's a telegram that they are able to intercept that Hitler sent to his armies and to his officers you kill the rabbis first because if they ever survive they're going to start this up again somewhere else so obviously the fact that they went after the admire and the restroom they were after our souls as well it's a shahmad and it would be permitted to uh risk one's life to study Tyra to Davin and in fact many yiddin did and ravashi says I'm included I continue teaching Tyra barabin I continued orchestrating mignonim and he brings proof from Daniel in safer Daniel we find that Daniel risked his life to Davin even though there was a decree that anyone who would pray would be killed by the king and the revashri comes to the following conclusion you can't tell any individual that they're obligated to risk their life to fulfill a specific mitzvah it really depends on what once kavana is the person has uh to uphold the religion but any Jew who feels the cause and feels the desire and that to kufa and that epic period it was permitted for them to risk their life I just want to conclude by telling you about one of the most heart-wrenching shilohs and this whole uh tragic period and this question was brought to three harsh maisels srihar schmeisel's authored a safer called Charles Hashem serious and then Bergen Belgium and then finally later on in in Chicago and the following question came to him he said came to him and asked him with great tamimos with great Simplicity he said I have one son my only son he's as dear to me like the pupil of my eye and he's being incarcerated together with 1400 young men 1400 young men and they're being sent to the crematoria and I could bribe the capos and I could get him out problem is if I take him out they're gonna have to replace him with another young man am I allowed to bribe the capos and save my son at the expense of another year and says with three harsh maisels I begged him please don't ask me that question she can't ask me that question does Manchester United this question would have to be posted agodo this is I'm only one Rob and here I am in Auschwitz I have no safarim I don't have yeshivadas I can't deal with this question he said it's one thing if you would bribe the capos and now the couples would then have to go search and find someone in his place maybe you could say you know what maybe these Rasha and these couples maybe at the last moment they would say to themselves you know what once I free to hit I'm not allowed to replace them with somebody else that's like the guitar says in Suba said If a woman is caught trying to give her husband Trey food and the husband wants to divorce her that look is you still have to pay her the Suba because the wife could say nah at the last moment in the 11th hour I never would have done it in the last moment the pit the pintala you'd would have been awakened in me I never would have fed it to him so to hear if the couples would then have to go search for a replacement you could say you know what maybe they'll do chuva and they won't find someone but everybody knows how the couples work the way they work is that if they don't find a replacement it's the blood is on their hands they're going to be killed and they make sure to find the replacement before they let anybody off the hook and therefore I beg you my dear my dear friend don't ask me the question I beg you I can't tell you anything I can't tell you a half a thing I can't even think about it whatever you pass in if you tell me I can't do it that's the Din Tai ramachable I said no no no that's not what I said I'm not telling you not to do it I'm telling you I can't say rather if you're not gonna say I'm gonna take that as a sack that I can't do it no no you're putting words into my mouth I didn't tell you that make believe you don't know that I exist make believe you never asked me Reba I see from your hesitation that in your eyes it's not borrower that I'm allowed to do it I take that as a sack din that this is also no I beg you to make believe that you don't know who I am Rebel enough said the din Tyra is that it's forbidden for me to redeem my son and if this is the din Tyra then I'm moisture my son Le strefa alpihadin because that's what the halacha paskans and this was Rosh Hashanah tough Shin base and the whole day this man on Rosh Hashanah was singing that he was like to be macro like akeda his son on the miss bayak that avrah mavino he was told by the River Song I don't even have to be told if my Rebel doesn't want to give me a header then it's Usher says with three harsh maisels my dear brothers who are reading my words there's no question in my mind that the actions of this man made a big stir in the heavens and on that Rosh Hashanah to be microwave just to be able to hear the circus and the tamimas of ayid who Not only was willing to ask a Shyla under the most trying conditions but sometimes you know you ask your rev a question but I really need to but I really and here this yid didn't even need to hear the answer he was able to see on the face he was able to read in between the lines and the sidcos and of all of these yeten because if you look all of these yiddin who pose these questions you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com