Using Modern Technology on Shabbat - Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

cuz it illogical grammar grammar is that you're not doing something directly right so you do an action and then a little while later it causes another action it causes something to happen right that's considered to be an indirect action rather than a direct action which is less problematic now that does not mean you know i'll give it i give you a basic example in the hospitals over here in Jerusalem they're pretty that they're pretty from and they've organized all kinds of systems that Chavez Chavez modes or offense that they're fantastically see they really are but it's not just that they've got they've got shabbos phones yeah which is which is it's it's a it's a grammar which means that you you punch in the number that you want but it doesn't go through immediately unless obviously there isn't an emergency of some kind for sure use a different phone with the shovers phone is a gramophone and you were you punching that you punch in the number and there's a delay grandma grandma means a delay like which bizarre again in our locker there's a difference between making a phone call or with a regular phone which is absolutely forbidden or making a phone call with a gramophone which is causing a delay you put in the number and then it doesn't go straight away doesn't even use electricity it depends some of them do some of them don't again if you're talking about in hospital settings whether you know things are a lot less complicated because obviously you know we're working with working on peacock nefesh of the danger to people's lives right but you know for example in Charlotte setting they've got a whole system it's fantastically were a whole system of cooling you know when you when a person's in hospital and they call the nurse so during the week you press a buzzer no it sets off a buzzer in the in the nurse's station and if you're lucky about three days later the nurse will come to see right I mean even if they do at that point you'll be so happy to see them that it sir yeah of course it would be like three o'clock in the morning when you're asleep but whatever yeah in shades ethic and indica coil in I'm not sure they have a man care of as well but they've got a shallot the shutters that hope the whole cost to switch lower the showers mode on arrow shoppers okay and what you call the nurse it's working with that with the vacuums & and what's it called pneumatic pneumatic that's right i forgot what i thought was a little boy's dream that's right pressure so you press the thing you're not setting off the buzzer anywhere you're opening up and which is moving across hitting another thing which is opening that up and moving and cross until it gets to the nurse's station and it it flags it doesn't make a sound look like a little a little backward flagyl sort of pop up but I know ring a bell huh I think I think I know why I was so then the original ones they hadn't had my calf lanxess yet it had also had some doors you swirl bit so I open close you the showers fun Oh closes doors hey good right because you know again if everything especially in hospital other things are coming more and more technologically advanced right Lester touch so doorways they just open as you go through them right if you've got the right you've got a card like you know a card which it recognizes you and you go through all these things are problems on Chavez well howdy how do you work with them you know what do you do we just hangs out work of it even if you're happy she's feeling like fish yes me there is but what's happening is like the short you're putting in you know you know what it's a little bit like it's over like sending a fax but you don't care when the facts goes if you've seen the bathroom shower Jimmy knows I'm saying you know fact fax machines right how do they work very often if you you know time very in businesses in the olden days they didn't want it they didn't want to tie up a line a telephone line with the facts so the facts would read all the faxes and then at night they would put it into fax mode and it would send these things off right so you would send your fax at eleven o'clock in the morning but it wouldn't actually go until two o'clock in the morning right the next morning because it's waiting right so in a certain kind of way it's the same kind of a thing it make it makes it makes the shovers issue less problematic which means I would reduces you're still breaking well if you if you need to use this thing then it's not breaking it right which means you're you've got you you've got a way of being able to do it and you can do it in a better way than doing it directly because it's it's removing some of the transgression on the way right but so which means like this in a hospital it be OK in the security services it's ok to use these things on Chavez for sure right for us we can't use them Thank we don't we don't have we don't have the beat it's not going to help the fact that his grammar doesn't make it permissible right the fact that it's delayed doesn't make it permissible the fans going to delayed turns it from being a Torah prohibition it's a rabbinical prohibition and together with other you know with it with it with a situation right where I have a security situation on medical situation is enough to allow you to be able to do it right they've got they've got for example in shade Senate they've got grammar pens don't get what you mean to how does it work but it writes things down but it the writing only last 24 hours and then it disappears now the real prohibition of writing on Chavez at our provisional writing on Chavez is permanent babe it's not going to be permanent so it's got enough lengthens got enough time in it it lasts long enough that I'm not say shabbos you can write all this stuff up so I'm studyin show right now so again what's the chat you you and I we can't use this in it I believe you're in a situation where it's got to be done then for sure it's okay to use these cigs and they're working on these things a whole time there are institutions there's one called the it's one called samet mark on samet and there's one called the technological institute for her locker and science where this is what they do they come up with these things had it you know how to add a get around the problems in order to allow hospitals to function properly in order to allow the security services to function properly on shabbat right it's really it's fantastic all this stuff is and it's fascinating it really is because they're on the vanguard of modern technology and they're trying to you know they're trying to apply all of this to halacha and sometimes it's doable sometimes it's not right you know it's it's not it's not always going to work with the advent située with the advent of computers and very very sophisticated computers a lot of this stuff is now a lot easier so a lot of things could be pre-programmed into a computer so for example alarm systems which up until whatever i don't know maybe 10 years ago it had to be manned manually right you had to arm them manually now you can have your computer do it yeah and that means that if somebody wants to make sure that his house is alarmed on Shabbat oh right you could just program it into the computer computer all take care of that hurt you use one of those pens that that writing disappears or would it be better to actually use like a translation program and just talking to a computer and have it right for you Oh interesting uh neither what what what it right for medically oh I think for medical reasons it would probably be better than use a pen simply because these things are notoriously quirky the I've got a brother as a doctor yeah and he spent weeks weeks programming his software to understand his voice and it's still it's still he says it's not it's not accurate oh really in the last three or four years okay because you know he said he said it was it was he said especially when you're in a hurry you know there's an emerg an emergency that's that's you know brewing and you're not speaking clearly without imagine the reason i thought i was returning to go to but day um the reason is that assumed that if it was a 24 hour of reg encourages all they want to put everything on a computer so they're probably gonna have somebody writing it taking it after shops anyway yeah so why not just have them talk into it and they can correct it out I don't know I was just really getting to ask whether or not the separation of actually writing or talking yeah so what's a chat writing writing on a computer it's not the same as writing with a pen politically it's not the same as writing to the pan that's it step by step right writing with a pen is a problem right that's for sure right yeah writing with a computer is less it's still a problem but it's less of a problem because you're not really writing what are you doing you're putting in pixels that are turning themselves into letters I do what you like hold on till May took right now talking about you know that the using a keyboard right when you press the when you press a que right it's you're not writing ok right it's just putting you're just making some symbols up there on the screen I mean this is binary so it's whatever I mean the way the way that it all was and it's refreshing itself the whole time as well it's not it's not to it there's no there's no sense of permanency whatsoever that they're lacking ramification of all of that just just as an aside is it there is no problem whatsoever with erasing God's name from a computer screen because it's not it's not writing to begin with and if you were to write God's name on a piece of paper so that's a problem you can't just throw it away that's arse walk right out hashem completely and yeah it doesn't use soap know your ass just really wait I champagne completely you just put like a letter align for that you should be but arched wall breaks it all out and was wondering why they do that how make sense oh wait Oh printed we are in our print it now it's interesting should now that halacha CLE printed printed material is not the same as written material nature which means that disposing of printed material is easier than disposing of written or two so it's a for example you've got oh so let's say for example you've got ya I don't know magazine that's got God's name in it for example so the best thing to do just to give it to give it a little bit of respect is put it into a bag and then you can put it into the garbage right if you want to be again if you were if you want to be very careful you could go to the magazine and you could tear out the bits that have got God's name in it and then you could put those into something called the Ganesa which is something which is set aside for you know holy holy things to be disposed of properly but you don't have to you can just put them into a bag and put the bag into the regular way that you would dispose of your garbage yeah yeah if you've got written material it's not so simple rip material really needs to go into the Ganesa which is going to be disposed of properly and and it's not you know it's not the same so here you've got you've got stuff that you're writing into the into the computer is not really writing there are other a logic problems on each other's if you're speaking and that's causing it to right I'll tell you the truth I'm thinking I'm just thinking out loud right now but I'm not sure that I see a big difference between that and using a keyboard actually yeah because you're it's your your your voice is causing this thing to do what it's doing just like your fingers are causing it well there's a physical aspect and then yeah but you see how luckily over here halacha clean what what the concern over here is what is whatsapp what's happening right that's the halacha concern over you what's happening over here so my speech is creating writing and my fingers are creating writing by using the keyboard and i'm not i'm not sure it could be that it's slightly less I wanted publi message boys well having a having a non-jew do things and shadows for sure is for medical easy for sure is is there at there are certain places here Taryn for example as far as I'm aware the first aid you know next to a center one next to that next to the bus station as far as I'm aware i think on shabbos they have non jewish doctors working over there but you don't have to that it's a mitzvah it's a mitzvah to heal people yeah but in its a midst of for a doctor on Chavez to heal somebody even if it means that he's got to transgress if there's any kind of a danger to that person's life and that's a very that's a very loose description in a danger to somebody's life it's very loose because you know it doesn't it doesn't mean but also first saw something come you go do your test because you don't know right Suffolk Pequot never a doubt of peacock initiative of danger to life is enough to allow you to to translate somebody comes in they don't feel well right so it could be that it's nothing right and it could be that you know how he does something terrible is going on inside and lab work needs to be done right so maybe they did blood work maybe they need to take an x-ray it's permissible to do all of these things on shovers if there's any any kind of a concern right I don't know somebody walks in that they've got a nosebleed so okay you're probably you're probably somewhat limited with what you can do on shabbos in order to treat a nosebleed right that's really not pay no not not somebody's gotta an ingrown toenail that's bothering and so come back come back after Chavez will take care of it right but if you've got anything anything that yeah I don't think that can't be seen and you don't feel well so it needs to be treated so I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure needs to be looked at carefully but it could be that speaking into the computer might be slightly better than using the keyboard because the keyboard is direct and speaking to the computer is not it might be once one step removed yeah which is interesting some people some people get subs Alden the notes are not really listening people it's it's an interesting line i'm not sure you know it's a much cheaper sonality thing i think some people need to take notes of to concentrate some people who they take notes they'll concentrate on the notes and they're missing half of what it is that's being told of them rabbi Gottlieb told me once years ago when he was teaching analytical philosophy in johns hopkins that he got fed up with his students because he said they were writing everything down they weren't listening to him they were just writing so he said that he gave a class once he said it was complete nonsense which I'm not a hundred percent sure and philosophy how you you know well what turned it from being a regular class into complete non see i don't i don't know but whenever he said he gay he gave this class and he's everybody's just writing it down I nobody nobody's stopping say hold on a second that does make any sense it's just writing it down so at the end of the class he said look he says he said I don't understand you people he said it didn't make any sense what I just told you and he said he was half expecting how for them to be writing you know this doesn't make any sense but I just I just write it down right so I don't I don't know you know writing down definitely hazards for some people is good of a son p but it's not so good you