Uvdin d'chol - When Does It Apply? Rabbi Takov Zev Smith

when does it apply to the great source of sponsoring a share called against your retirement 718-851-8651 we always have a very special gishmak when we learn a group of shylus seemingly very different unrelated childhoods but as out there always is to find one you saw to give us an understanding and then we could approach a wide spectrum of shyness today's questions were again a sampling with a very different one from the other someone asked about using a potato masher to chop eggs and chop this uh for the ayam it's people for the eggs and onions is their problem because it's a potato masher we had a question about playing ping pong or chess on jabba's or a very interesting shiloh someone here in america wanted to call his parents in there at this role it was here friday friday afternoon five o'clock it's vaday not yet shabbos and he wanted to call his parents and speak under on the voicemail leave a message tell him guccifers for them it's 12 o'clock they're about to go to sleep he could wish his parents good jobs and get a good night's sleep for here it's friday there with shabbos so really what comes to mind is a word that we sometimes use and that's called not something that's shabbos dick it's not shabbos you're not the spirit of shabbos which of course has meaning you know someone would eat frankfurt is a wearing his baseball cap by the friday night souda that's not shabbos dick but that's not yet a malachor it's not an issa it's not it's inappropriate i know the gemara says in shabbos gimmel we have to have a different shabbis than during the week the hillock has to be different the deeper has to be different the maubus has to be different but that's not yet the suggy of today which are two different words and that is the words of the royal over the as we'll see is a few places in sha's in bay and aravind all over literally throughout this and but to do this correctly and to learn what means of the child would take a shift for itself just to learn the suggest and compare it so we'll try to take a shortcut today and i'm going to quote the lesson of the pharisees throw he wrote a calcula shabbos in most prints it's either the beginning of mishnay's shabbos or the end of the shabbos but he has a brief overview to what over the coil really is it's also printed in the end of the seventh peric in the shabbos a shorter version but basically he says there are three types of the first one he says is it's doing it's similar to one of the tests the second one the second category is if it might bring to a malacha and the third one is and then he explains the first one he gives an example the is it's in bethesda says it if you have wine that's drinkable as it is you could drink the wine as it is but you want to strain it to give a little better quality so make it in its mother because since you drink it as it is it's not viral to put it through a cloth to sift out the slight impurities but says the machab according to gemara don't make a gooma out of the cloth in other words what you do is you put the cloth over a shizzle pour the wine into the chisel but don't take the cloth and make a fancy gooma with somewhat of a like like a pocket where the wine goes through in a certain area because that's of the hoyo sucked the pharisees because when you have when you pour wine through a smarter it doesn't really look so closely related to boiler but if you start making it into a fancy goomba a pocket that is too closely related to a clipboard even though it's not butter because it's the wine is drinkable as it is so if you do it with the plain cloth it's different than the regula versus roll and this is the end of the seventh eric shabbas he says horizon if you do this tomorrow you're going to do next shopping you're doing this so you have to stay away from ulda de coyo now you have to realize this is not just that it's not shabby stick doesn't it sit up on it what's the shot i think it's plush it we have to be shy meshabas a shimmer you learn about them see it doesn't just watch the item he has to watch very carefully he has to protect the item we have to watch and protect the shop shabbos very carefully to do something that's mutter that might result in doing a maista issa is lacking in shmura shabbos another example that he himself gives i once had the shia la mamish and the camper i go to they serve on shop this afternoon they call it ionic shops during the week we call it snacks but shabbos is anik shabbas okay they bring they have a big box of apples over 100 apples and once the whole back whole box overturned and there were apples rolling all over the lawn in the camp so what's wrong pick up the apples put it back in the box and start again but this is a gemara and the shahnawaz quotes it that this is the problem of the royal why says the gemara in shabbos cliffhanger base this paso perez pick up one and put it in your hand eat it but don't put it into a big basket or box very simple what a person is doing right then and there is so similar to mama he's collecting apples from a field i mean if someone on shabbos goes to an apple orchard even though it's surrounded with an aero and he collects apples on shabbos that's the issa mohammed now this happens to be apples on a field but it's in a camp so it's not really an issue but it's closely resembles an islam that says that pharisee israel is of the dechaial another example he called zamagan avram and shin yudhao let's see if your doubt is talking about yamtiv chopping wood and your pastas is muta because you're allowed to add water to a fireplace on your hampton to keep you warm to cut into big pieces is fine but small pieces is token says the mugging have rom therefore even big pieces should be avoided because as the way the terrestrial explains it's very easy to go from cutting big pieces into cutting small pieces and he has other examples i in some but i think the point is clear this is part of shmira shabbos not to do something that either that resembles or might lead to a malacha now you have to realize and you'll die the bulk if not the majority of masek the shabbos and the irvin are basically israbonom most if not a majority of shabbos getting paid very nicely but really protect jobs now you might wonder why is over the hill different than the basic issue of maris ayan so there are differences but it's the kasha doesn't begin shabbos has its own set of allah's and one of them is over the coil to very carefully protect kedusha shabbos the third example is the i told you earlier the issa of tirche i'll give you a good example and the terestral says something very similar imagine i heard this madison shahayah someone was living in an apartment you know a younger man and he moved from one apartment to a different apartment in the same floor in his apartment building so theoretically if he doesn't move muktsa he could move pack up on chavez and move his new apartment on chavez what you're doing wrong is no carrying but this is one example of of the child even if he's not doing any issa per se but this is clear you want to move move during the week but it's even more so the gemara in in the base explain quotes this you have an author of so taking and moving a big part of it on shabbos is awesome i there's no iss that's foo is not muktsa presumably but this is of the dehydra doing what we call heavy work terry so what i think we have to mention before we apply the islamizer once something is of the detail it's not just that it's not chapistic it's it's lacking in the spirit of shabbos as the khayodam in clal test steve gimmel writes he gets malcus marcus martis and they put him in you know we're afraid to even say the word we say but 40 days and not eat meat or wine the night after the tightness that's for the bonnet of ultra coil in other words it's a serious issue it's a lot more than just what we call as not sharpistic now let's apply the mice and i hope we should have enough information to apply it to the child we began with a potato masher to mash eggs that was the question asked and the shale did his homework a potato masher the is a clay that's used to make touching mashing potatoes is taken but the person knew better you can't use a potato masher to mash eggs to mashed potatoes he was asked he was asking about using it to mash eggs because as the chocolate says in shin huf if something does not grow from the ground there's not a doulay character there's no issa of token when you make i am it's feeble eggs and onions chopping the onions into small pieces is taken chopping the eggs even into tiny pieces is muttoo because naka do they carry them so what's the shyla so why can't i use a potato masher since there's no token with eggs why can i use a an efficient kaley so this is based on a reverse and kofpei dalid the rivas was was asked a similar question to great greener cheese with a grader and yiddish is called a revising so a rebison is a clear token but the good news is cheese like eggs is not kadu lay karaka so if it's not to do like karaka it's not turkey so who cares if you're using a clea toilet if it's not toichen so the reverse says this is over the coil and israel is a tough coup dalit based on a gimbal gimbal that even though that can't be done before yam is mutter but to use a cli toy that does take it in a big volume is oil so this again is another simple example of of the decay even though it's mutter but you're doing something that looks like it's malach of taychen that is us says the reverse and the fall of seafood like this oscar ligurer hagavina bashabis the moira current valpathios which mr murray says is a rebison to use a greater even to to great non-token and i mean iron includes eggs cheese meat chicken fish theoretically it's mother it's not turkey but since it closely resembles taekwon it's awesome now think about it it's very positive tell me again what you're doing i'm using a grader to grate oi vein that's two problems greater to great but i didn't tell you i'm grating eggs or cheese okay but it's so easy to go from cheese to potatoes you're grating with the grater that's all we have to hear that's of the coil that is a simple example of the oil it's not hard to go from grating eggs to grating potatoes the smear shabbos in volvod about potatoes he says you know how to take potatoes even if it's so soft that that its mom is falling apart and press it through a grater soft potatoes cooked potatoes and press it through a grater that's also also of the hell you're grating potatoes with the grader of the salmon and shin bays says another example which is our shire and that is using a potato masher to mash eggs even though eggs is not tuition but this is too closely related to toichan and that qualifies to be over the coil oh so ashina does not help when there's an issa with her we'll soon see when sheena does help she need help will soon see but that doesn't seem to work the only thing which i think would have someone would design this if we would design a masher that's made to mash eggs that wouldn't be over the coil because it's not a clear token because there is never ever touching with eggs so an an egg masher would be mutton but a potato masher is like a rebison it's in and you're grading it and that's why maybe that's what then you'd mentioned a shiny would be if you take a different type of kale that's never used in this context of someone once went to assembly it was all excited they served a nice piece of salmon and next to the salmon they put down a lemon a slice of lemon how could they be marshall the island is uh you're going to squeeze the lemon so i told relax and you know first you have to learn how lucky before you criticize about you can't squeeze a lemon on shabbos but if you squeeze it onto an oil onto a but the question would be let's say the caters were a little more aggressive and they not only put down a lemon next to the the the fish they would put on the table a lemon squeezer to make it easier to squeeze the lemon onto the fish also this is because just like you add a squeeze of lemon on to fish so who cares i'm using a lemon squeezer however a lemon squeezer is a clear skitter shabbos and hey gimmel vermosh involved sadiq says as well so therefore even though there's no script if you squeeze a lemon directly onto fish but to use a lemon squeezer is a clean skitter and it's of the coil and again based on the definition it's a perfect example you're using a clichita to be circuit stop right there that's the problem i didn't tell you it's a lemon i know it's a lemon but using a clicheter to be circuit is of the coil next question is using an x slicer to slice eggs so those are not familiar an x vice has like sharp blades and you cut you slice the egg into a few pieces so we're tempted to say this is under the coil but if you look closely it's not because slicing eggs or slicing any vegetable for that matter into pretty big pieces is not token so even though it's a specialized instrument to cut eggs so what this is not clean the specialized instrument the isa is a cleaver this is not a creep by rotation and moisture the fact is it's not doing and therefore it cannot be of the royal in fact is since a slicer does not affect toichen you would even be muta to use the egg slicer to cut a tomato i tomato is a doulay karaka very good so you got to cut could do the character you can't be taking it so as long as you make it in slices that don't make it trojan and x-rays it could be used there's a different header i saw this the marzello and seminary invasive cotton gimbal writes that since by eggs there is never toiling because there's none could do like character so then by an x vice is not a of the the because we don't relate eggs to of the in other words a potato masher oh that's a problem even for eggs but an exclasa would be mutter and he says upstairs almond or yeah that to use in x y c even for none for dooley carricka or even if it's made into smaller pieces an egg slicer is definitely never because eggs are not that's why if someone would design a egg masher will be mutant shabbos because an egg masher is never used in a problem question somebody asked me this question and really gave me a run for my money so to speak he wanted to make a tapping for his ice cream by his shabbosheva brocas so he would want to take a peeler a vegetable peeler and shred pieces of chocolate off a chocolate bar those are not familiar it's a pretty simple way to do it it gives a certain elegance you you shred slices of chocolate off a chocolate bar so allow to use a peeler to do that so you start thinking well wait a minute this is chocolate which grows on the ground actually it grows on a tree so why is the token this is worse than eggs or cheese chocolate grows on a on a tree a cocoa bean grows on a tree but then again this cocoa bean was already ground right you don't make talk out of whole beans so once it was ground ain't nothing fine but the question is yeah but now you're doing using acai for that would this be of the coil so the myself we have to identify what is the status of a peeler let's talk about a more common child can use a pillar to peel cucumbers so this we once discussed the nilkus bayern it's a it's a very challenging question because past is a peeler is a cli buyer it's designed to peel cucumbers and i'm assuming that we don't eat the veg the peels of cucumbers this is a real clea player and therefore a a pillar would be considered a real cli boier and you can use it even if you're going to eat the cucumbers right away because even a lot of peel to eat right away but you can't use a creeper and the maxilla yo and simon nanalev has a very strong argument that a pillar is a cli boyer and even to use it somehow he's awesome sorry but there is a different way of looking at it that let's say i have a knife plain knife can i use it to peel the cucumbers the answer is yes some of the silly ladder peel cucumbers let's say i have a sharper knife can i use a sharper knife yes so why don't we say that a peeler is just a better knife it's more convenient it's more more handy a peeler is not a cliboro it's not a sifter it's a designed to make it easier to peel and that's why there are places that felt that a peeler is just a better knife but it's hard to accept that a peeler is a clea oil by the following illustration imaging and they have a nice piece of steak and next to the steak they gave you a peeler then you realize dramatically that a pill is not a creole if they give you a knife or a better knife or a sharp knife okay but a peeler is not a knife a pillar is a convenient clipboard and that's why we look at appeal at least most play scheme like a clipboard so now the kaira it should be a problem to shred a bar of chocolate with a peeler but i think about it i don't think this is shahila because the peeler is a clear boiler but i'm not making baira it's all chocolate i'm using a clip ira to to shred the chocolate so where's the detail if i use a peeler to peel something that's not boil la muscle i take a peeled cucumber i make slices that might be all the real because it looks like you're making using a peeler to peel something but here it's chocolate it's all mine echoed it's not baira it's not turken what's the issa the truth is even taking a cucumber that's peeled and shredding slices if it's not thin slices is also mutton you're not doing blurry you're not doing taco so at the end of the day you didn't end up with a mice or issa what should be over the coil so therefore i think it's possible to use a a pillar to shred smoke to small is it to shred pieces of chalk it is okay now if you get it in a very small pieces that might be toichen so you're doing turken even though it's not taika would be of the coil that's kenzan but in this situation i think it's fine someone also asked about using a corkscrew to take out the cork of a wine bottle what he felt is since it's a specialized cayley maybe it's over the chair that's also wrong because it is a specialized kelly but what's what's the coil this mirror shabbos and tess kavalav says that corkscrew is perfectly mutha that's not of the dehydra a nutcracker is obviously mutha on shabbos says the the egg laytal and baira sim involves if cotton you'd it can't be that a nutcracker is boiram and he proves from a mishna the mish says that if someone could use a hammer please not listen to crack nuts obviously cracking nuts is not a problem of byron sharks he doesn't say why but it's possible in noon aleps the end of seath cotton you'd when you have a nut and you crack it you didn't make bearer you know what you did you made teruvas because now you have a nut and around 50 pieces of the shell all cracked you didn't make boy or you made tyruvais when the nut was whole it was a shell around the knot the helmets are now it's all mixed up so there's no question about it using a nutcracker on shabbos ismutter therefore there's no other detail and it's interesting that to take a hammer from your tool chest to crack a knot is there but to use a rebison to shred eggs is awesome you know us we buy them sounds a very harmless word so what's wrong with that but that's all the trail because that's a cleve that's a clitoris a hammer is tackle but i'm not using it anywhere near mullah so a hammer to crack a nut is mutter a rebison to the great eggs is of the royal regarding that's a different sugya but in tough dal at sea base basically you're allowed to make turken on yomtiv if it's was ef you couldn't do it from before yamcha but there are clown most foods if you grate them before jumped if they lose taste they lose quality so most foods are considered ef chemi you're allowed to grate foods on yamcha the notable exception might be some spices or nuts that if you grate them before we buy yourself you know nuts that are crushed nuts so it doesn't lose its taste the real tumul is more that we grade if you use horseradish on pesach so mr brewer says murrah horseradish is one thing that does not lose much flavor if you do it me boy joy you you grate the mother you put it in an airtight container and it comes comes pace like it's very very strong so therefore the minute you stroll as we create it all before yom tiff if a person forgot to do it he would do it on yamdiv with ashinoi here's where shinri plays a role because since his f should be boy jime so if you forgot you have to make some type of machinery with that you mentioned that's when she knew he plays a role the mini cup grow as recorded in my syrah was to never do it arab yum diff because you have to have maximum strength of the murder which means you have to do it right before the satan so the going hell it's the f s me boy no bazoo you'll do it presumably without a scenery okay they say the stipela this is orchestra seminar and gimbal someone says why are you grading because i'm not there are two usually the women great and now i'm doing it that's one shin and the second one this he writes is when i great tomorrow i cry i don't usually cry so that's a terrorist he probably was going with the guy in cheetah that a shinoi is not necessary according to the going because you can't make a shiny you don't have to make sure because you have to do it on yomtiff a very important type of default even though it doesn't seem to be applicable but it's a big insight into the rest of the share the mahabhara in shinhav zayi and gimmel based on a mishnah in kaufman garden basically they were very into scratching scratching vigorously to use a special scratcher that was magared on chabis or yam te visor de foil now what's wrong with the scratching so if you look in the lavish in steve gimmel he says typically scratching was done as a form of reform of course it wasn't a conventional reform but scratching somehow alleviated pain so a scratcher became associated with reform i this javas i'm only doing it to make myself feel a little better but it's so closely related to the coil that's what to do to reform that it became an of the default that's what the bush explains and tyra's shabbos since gotten gimbal highlights this very clearly that therefore if a person by if it's much that he's not doing it for a fool could be its mutter but the point is that the magareid this scratch up was of the detail but here we come to you so that's going to mitigate to the rest of the shirt the kimora are the same gemara shabbos but kuffman tells an interesting story rep shmoel's mother made a special silver scratcher for shabbos now i've heard of a silver menorah but a silver scratcher so break the shielding boyer in sanhedrin that hey and daphia riff why do you have to have a special silver scratcher what is that helping says tremendous so if you make it specialized the shabbos you remove the problem no one a scratcher that's what he says in fact the magnum regarding a different child will soon see but says that this is the hectare for people that use special combs women these special brushes i'm sorry not comes brushes on shabbos and the master checker explains that since that takes away the concern of of the detail now here we see over the in all its beauty if something is awesome something is boring you can't say i have a special clipboard on shabbos doesn't take away the issa but something is not us it's just this real removes any concern of the duchail so here we see a heter of the yohit and that's the way the premier got them and mr burr both say mexico but it seems something it's a little more than just a shabbos brush you know we have white shirts there's friday and white shirts and shabbos the same shirts but this is i only wear this type this shirt on shabbos the way the prima gotham seems to indicate you could have the same brush but this one is weekday and this is shabbos but it's hard to say that because the gemara says his mother made a silver one we have to make a silver one just make a regular brush and and you put shin on one and that's uh another one used for kyle and we look in the maima mordechai in shin gimbals he's caught in your aleph he says that it seems that it's not enough just to have one brush we buy two similar brushes this is weekday and this is shabbos it's not enough it has to be thefts are a different type this is a regular brush and this is the shabbos brush but it looks different or otherwise it will be we will understand why she has to make a silver scratcher and attack says it's a fundamental how to understand creamy yoghurt we understand you have one especially for shabbos but excuse me you look at it it doesn't say doesn't seem to saying anything different i know this brush uh where's the shin oh that's the sharpest brush but it's not fundamentally different the my mamardka is making a more powerful reminder by making it a totally different brush but i must tell you the shabbys all seem to say it's in other words you don't have to have a silver scratcher or a silver brush as long as this is another is the the my memory i definitely was being mahmeer says that it seemed that as long as it's it would be enough now now we could apply this to the next group of questions and that is brushes on shabbos women have the shiloh what do they mean a special brush so one thing has to be clear the mahabha and the end of shin gimmel says that combing here on shabbos is not a fermi issue you know it's a malachi der iso now let me explain why do women especially have long hair the girls they comb their hair and they work hard what's the science of it you want to have hair that's straight when these knots the hair is not as nice as it's supposed to be now let me ask you a simple question how does it work you take a comb and you comb the hair how does the comb unknot the nuts do you think that they're a little man in the comb that opens up the nuts obviously not so what how does it work the comb has very close of teeth and when it gets to a knot it grabs it and as you pull as a tug of war and you pull out the knotted hair it doesn't on unknot the knots it pull out and it pulls out the not adheres therefore using a comb to pull out not in here is the malach of the rice of guys is your machabin to pull out here mr brewer says it's gazes and to pull out here now some will say wait a minute but if i comb ten times only five times i pull out here so it's not obsecration so the answer is you're not right not a particular issue but it's the five times you do it you're having to do it there's a lot of their eyes right then and there so calming is definitely us in fact the with the ukrainian explain even a brush which is not a comb which is a softer material if you do it vigorously enough that could also pull out here it could pull a lot loose here so whether it's pulling out here with the comb or even with a brush if you're in the habit that pull out the hair that is the rice the only question is when someone is not intending to pull out here nothing about knots someone comes out there shabbos morning after the mikveh is here dries and he looks like he was electrocuted his hair is standing up it's like it's very you know unorderly she once just pat the hair down he said look you know more kempt oh so that is where the the price can say mr burr says this you're allowed to use a brush to pat the hair down to make it look messy if you haven't to pull out here even a brush is us and certainly a comb but to use a brush to just to massage the hair and not to pull it out is after all that says the mr brewer but even that a brush which there's no carvana to pull out the hair the minigusts have a special brush the shabbos so it shouldn't be mersey ko of in other words you are doing heter but you're brushing your hair with a brush which could be an isothermal iso that's problematic get a special brush at the shabbos here the character and it's points out the two shot them in the shabbos like the prima got them you could have buy two brushes this one for the weekdays this is shabbos even if they're identical and he he shows us that according to you should have a different type of brush the coverage shabbos many nostrum have tack up a plastic brush it's widely spaced and it's especially for shabbos and they have the yay sir even the hummer of the maima martha but again don't forget this is not material you can't mkhaban to pull out with a soft brush because that won't that won't help it's only when it's only of the foil the next question is brushing teeth on shabbos so the truth is using toothpaste on shabbos is a problem with mamacake using water with brush might be sweeter we're talking about someone that's not using water not using toothpaste and also he has gums that are not sensitive so if he brushes his teeth with a dry toothpaste it won't bleed so he's really protected from any type of melancholy moisture base to brush your teeth when there's no mama there's no skitter and there's no bleeding is still over the coil why very positive because a toothbrush is synonymous with malachite sometimes it causes bleeding so maisha extended the point that we see by brushes the toothbrush same problem same with the coil the minecraft to shave all say the same concern therefore you have to have a toothbrush of the shabbos what does that mean again simply it would mean have you buy two toothbrush brushes one you keep the shabbos one for during the week someone told me they have in the stores they have specially made toothbrushes the coverage is soon you'll see this also you know once you make a business out of it but oh yeah that's also it's also made yeah but if you're not using water so it's also made with wider fiber okay but the myself that's like very much necessary the smear shabbis in your dial lambda test writes dominic is not the brush on shabbos at all which i can understand why because you might end up using toothpaste or or water fine but if someone many people on the phonokim they mamas can't go to sleep at night without brushing their teeth and it's wrong to say that it's also to brush your teeth you know if it's multi you do it right you have a toothbrush it's fine okay it's true this most fibers today are synthetic so the truth is if you make it with widely spaced um fibers there's no sweeter but if you don't use water in the first place so what's different how you know close it okay i do there is a mylab that it looks more shabbos thick than the regular toothpaste toothbrush i'm sorry now a using a brush to brush clothing so obviously it's a problem with molapping even if you're certain there's no malabin involved minimally this would be the issa of of the default as the biology and shin bay sith aleph and shana mazayan base points out quoting alex pharisees even if in this particular case for whatever the reason is let's say it's just feathers that are not embedded in the baguette so it's not a prime of malabane to use a clothing brush would mentally be the issa of of the royal there was a big tumble when they started making carpet sweepers today the boys say what's that you know it came and went but copper sweeps used to be a popular thing to clean the carpet so the mausoleum and simon mandala has a very lengthy chuva that it's probably the east of malaban because malaban is is applicable to a carpet that's material but even if you say there's no isa but says he says in anapha there's minimally the isa of the de chao a capacity is definitely an of the detail issue someone once says he how about sweeping on shabbos he felt it was over the hill so i wanted to tell him if you want one excuse not to sweep the floor you have to find a better excuse but the embassy's there was some merit to his concern because if you look in sukhana there's a whole suggestion in in the gemara sweeping was categorically asa in times of ghazal because they had dirt flaws and sweeping was almost synonymous with being mashed for the goombas plus the brooms of their days the bristles would break it was made from straw material so besides the mastery gourmets on the ground is also the iss of steer as kaylee by breaking the bristles of brooms and that's all in shakhandar medallion base today our brooms first of all don't break the bristles are synthetic material and our floors even even outdoors and cities are all maroots if they're all non they're pavement they're non-dirt so really sweeping does not have any other problems but the alaka does seem to elude in shin lam batras steve bays that this still might be a problem above the dehydrator because sweeping was always synonymous with isurum breaking the bristles ashwage but i don't haven't seen people that are mahmud have a special shabbos broom certainly not a silver shabbos room could be because since in the passing of so many years that we don't have dirt floors we don't have brooms that break maybe brooms have sweeping is no longer even associated with you granted i did see one of the place game says dominicans have a special bruno cover champions but most of us don't have it and it's based on this assumption that the reasons don't seem to apply a big sugar of after the milsa is really another sugar for itself but i want to at least make the points you can't put wheat into a grind or a mill even if you do it on air of shabbos but if it continues into shabbos it's awesome the question is why not we pass consciousness kale what we do arab shabbos is okay so the gemara explains because this mill operates with water it keeps going on shabbos you're not doing anything but it makes a lot of noise grinding the wheat and that's called afsha milsum the lashley murray is my smash so here we see an interesting part of shmira shabbos you can do something on friday afternoon because it's a zil's in chapters don't forget to do anything on chapters heir of shabbos now the mahabharat in shin noon bays racial and base hay is makel based on mushaying but the rama says vias oysters in other words what makes noise on shabbos what's disparaging kadusa shabbos is a new form of zilzo shabbos which of course is related to of the default now this is a problem what makes noise even in one's house but if it makes noise it's a spirit to shabbos in fact there are more wonders what's the hector to use what we call a grandfather clock that makes noise so therma says it's not azil shabbas because it's not associated with malachi because everybody knows that it's just uh to keep time so if you have to come on to a hectare for a clock we will soon see for an alarm clock that means what was done in the house is also optional but a clock is okay but a mill that's doing in a very loud and attractive way that is optional a good example the shmira shabbos is if someone puts on the dryer right before this man and it goes an hour into this man so be too many shell shadows you walk into the house and you hear the dryer clinking and clunking even though there's no malacha but says it's making noise another example the min and others say a person will set with a timer the radio or music to go on oh let's forget let's be a little more uh hamish he says to daffy misha that he recorded yesterday to go on so really you know he's doing a nice thing but someone's house he has a tape playing in the background that's disparaging you could do shabbos so the price kim says also says this this is a problem of milsa now let's discuss our question okay you walk into someone's house and you hear someone talking to them hi good shabbos for you i'm telling about torah and go to sleep the person calling is calling friday afternoon but he's talking to his parents with eryshadis isn't that a form of afshamilsa so the emma says i will say but i'm doing it on friday but that we saw from the mark what you do on friday could also be optional the truth is technically you could be macholik because in the case of the mill you did it on friday but the option is continuing on shabbos here in america i called five o'clock i speak for five minutes i finished my option milsa 505. so where's the fellow shabbos so really it's not absolutely for the person in america the problem is the the question i have is is this really a good shabbos telling your parents good in shabbos on shabbos they're hearing it it's making noise you know if someone has a relative that's sick and his parents living in this role and they're full of anxiety and they call them on shabbat say barak hashem he's okay you're calling friday afternoon for their shabbos so that's the mukkam say that even our mothers may call for afternoon but the quran shabbis for them shabbos be with weekday i mean you tell me if that's considered that the you know within the spirit of shabbat i can't say it's mamesh mahmoud but to hear talking on friday night in in eritrea from someone in america friday afternoon is definitely not uh their banished land shabbos the safe hill shabbos bishop is listen to this and that is either sending the facts or receiving the facts on shots in other words friday afternoon when you send the facts there to throw so the sender or the receiver is that offshore milsim because at least in the older type of fax machines it makes a noise when it prints out so he felt that would be similar to the case of afsha milsa the person is getting a facts on shabbos making a lot of noise says you're allowed to keep the fax machine open unless there's a problem of hashma's call of afshamilson so he must have been talking about in a better type of facts it doesn't necessarily make noise but here we see that that's another example you're sitting by the shabbos singing and just then here are facts coming in a message coming in that's a a type of option also now the ambassador does point out that really no one's christ you for doing when the fact comes in you don't send the facts to yourself but i think the the point is the noise the whole you know concept that this is not what shabbos was given for so i can say you have to d you know disconnect your fax machine but if you know typically you would get you some people send you faxes on shabbos and the facts please give them vaccine is is with me in the dining room in a place where it's after milsa and it makes noise it's really it's that should be muta question someone was in a hotel maestro and he forgot to bring along an alarm clock so he wanted to order what they have in the hotel a wake-up service that basically they wake you up on chavez so the embassies in the olden days you would have to have a clerk calling you on shabbos that's not mr amir is calling just for you today it's all fully automated the question is if there's a problem of absolute suddenly in the initial room at either hotel where the phone is ringing so the bear moisture basically says there's not optional you don't call yourself maybe it's the wrong number but he said the more the problem is well typically especially a person is very tired and their phone rings what's the first thing he does he picks it up and he thinks hello and operator says hey you're jewish why are you picking up the phone so basically it come to malacca says if you want to use it it's not optional but keep the phone far away from you know the bed where you're sleeping so you want to end up picking it up people have a sprinkler system that what is the grass on shabbos that's a gemara if you didn't mean it if it makes a lot of noise which typically it doesn't that might be milsa but but there are clown meets it's not awesome the only thing is if it's you know it it's disturbing when you're walking in yesterday but and the grass is being watered some people feel it's not kedusha shabbos no if it could be done during the week it's certainly better but certainly what sometimes happens the gardener shows up on his own shabbos and he tells you hey rabbi you said i'm doing it my own convenience that's much worse there it's doing melaka that's also even adaited but just to sprinkle them you could be mako because it's known it's not done person doesn't do it on shabbos sugiya of afsha milsa a beautiful sugiya is the sugiya in shin lamb there are more quoting in shimla marquez aleph quotes in augur that you know knock on a door with a door up now many people have this it makes knocking easier just bang it it's a louder knock you have to break your fingers i'm banging you know how to use a door knocker on shabbos now the question is what's wrong with a door knocker a cliche i'm not going to play clarinet but what's wrong with the dua naka so both the bialoga and our kashokhan and that simmons explained that this is a form of affirmation it's not a cliche but it's a clean coil it's designed to make a noise and that's included in the issa of afshamilson and the truth is that maril in the hadasha similan spells this out we don't use it it's like the rakayam in the shabbos it's designed to make noise now cliche is a differentness so that even muhammad agrees to that's the gemaran bayer show me a second but this is not champion this is the iss of noise making on shabbos now the price kim do say that's why the minigame of ash kenny ashkenaz we don't use a door knocker on shabbos if someone is locked out of his house and he if he doesn't use a doorknock you will have to sleep in the street overnight you could be makel to use a door knocker what's the shot because after milsa said makkah say this had it been an issue maybe you can't be make them but it's only optional why because it's not worse than if it's a graga on shabbos for this year's friday if you want to use a you know er swirl that might be using gragas on shabbos that's a cream of yoghurt for noise it's not a cliche it's awesome i saw the min of wonders if you want to give a child a rattle you know that put the child keep the child busy he plays with it a rattle is the higher a clich of coil so he says it beautiful you saw it a rattle for a child is not of the coil it's a toy a a door knocker a grogger for adults you know that's already you know a kali but a toy is never considered over the hill interesting sack i i i must tell you and that is what i saw once the shia la is about playing ping pong on shabbos so the embassy is the xiaomi says that tour shimon was destroyed because they played ball on shabbos now i i'm certain they didn't play out of an error they played a nerve it might not have been hilo shabbos but it was just shabbos so we're not talking about men that supposed to be learning and playing ball playing ping pong we're talking about women or something writes that ping pong is a new example of after milsim and he says varia my next door neighbor in his basement when he plays ping pong i could hear it in my study and we live in two totally fully detached homes ping pong is a new example of affirmation now the truth is ping pong is very disturbing but it's hard to understand how does it come into action after milsa is when the noise is in the noise this is not malacha this is this is noise of game where's the with the absolute not noise did not rust per se and taka saw the smear shabbos and tazhayam and the nishma shabbas and tofu dalit both say me diddin we can answer a ping pong out of shameless of course it's not the kedusha shabbos but what i found that's really fascinating the dark emotions listen to this quotes our grace alpha see about playing at some if you're allowed to play this game on shabbos now if you look in the ice cream they explained what is this it's very similar to our kugelah and the grace alpha c wonders why is this us out these of clay coil so he says pause it because there's no ester because the there's no covenant to make noise you want to play a game if you take a door knocker you want to make noise and that's where there are more and shin lava quotes this you're allowed to use a yard to play coogalock even though it makes some noise because i'm a cabin for a noise as i state in the ramble now like this ramble it's understandable why ping pong is mother you know i'm having to make the noise so therefore when there's no bitter tires but we haven't seen anything yet then we're and we heard that children before he says you have to have a special shabbos scratcher but the first half of the shilting i think you'll find fascinating he says what's the minute to play this iskaka now iskaka is tight by all the pisces as chess what's that to the play chess why is it over the file the terrorist says it is with the when you play chess but since you have a special chess set that's made out of silver we have the head of the gemara that a silver is a miyorjaran's motto so i looked at it i was baffled what's of the hell about chess i mean what does that mean you have to have a a special shabbos you know the king has to have triangle on him so it's interesting when you learn the sugiya in those days these games were played for money the winner won you learned all the whole suggestion that steve is about money so the game of chess was a money-making proposition it was of the detail today chess is without money i imagine i hope i'm right that's why today those that play chess don't have a specialized uh chess set to cover chavez because the only issue was because it was associated with money the mice a few more examples i want to mention about over the year about electricity an electric train in those days was the novelty the new invention and he says even if you pay before shabbos and even if you are certain there's no more malacca because of your weight on the train this is and that is a perfect example of the dehydra abhide goes on a train on shabbos i mean what's going to happen to shabbos it's just it's going to be non-existent which malach is it oh the poison also say and this is i want to be careful a shabbos elevator even if it's made properly which means there's no increase in energy needed some are concerned about of the oil now again if it's muta and you need it it's mutton but just to use it for convenience it's over the coil what's the shot it's very positive you're going in a big big box that's moving up and down you know some even compare that to the base yitzhak regarding electric train now if someone needs it he needs it but just the convenience of it it should be avoided a bicycle today they have electric scooters and even if you program it to go for you know if you avoid isa but just the mathias of it is a of the coils writes using an umbrella on shabbos even if you'll find the hetero his question is iso and that is the iss of the child that was given to godilam to say what's asan what's muthu an umbrella even if it's mutta even if you don't you know like to know you to be who them so over the soil is something that ghazal pointed to that's a problem even if there's no particular islam feeding animals and shabbos is also over the hill for a different reason now it doesn't take much to feed an animal but it's unnecessarily wasting time on shabbos that's the of the default and the last style about moving on shabbos again i told you earlier to move from a boy in camp wanted to move from bunk to bunk within the aeriv that's obvious and that's also on shabbos i got to talk to you foreign