Why Does the Rambam Negate all the Moshiach Miracles? Part 1

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download source sheets you could download it on your computer or print it out our previous classes we learned together rambam hilhis malachim chapter 11 pedicured aleph where the rambam discusses the coming of mashiach the rambam discussed over there what mashiach is going to accomplish the rambam said somebody who doesn't believe in mashiach who doesn't await his coming is denying not only the prophets but also toyota and maisha nabeno and brings the sources from meshiach he speaks about the prophecy at the end of hamas parishes parshas nitsavam everybody's going to return terry to syrah shavasana he speaks about the prophecy of bilaam about david and mashiach the first mashiach in the last mashiach he speaks about the mitzvah of arimiklet then the rambam says don't think mashiach has to make miracles or resurrect the dead or make new things in the world and he proves it from the fact that akiva and all of the all of the sages of the generation thought that ben kuziwa shimon barkaichva was mashiyach until he was killed and they realized he was not and they did not demand from him a miracle and then finally the rambam in the last allah of chapter 11 discusses the criteria of the person who we assume would be meshiach when we see these these criteria he has to be a melek from based of it immersed in turner involved in mitzvos compels all the jewish people to follow the turtle he fights the wars of hashem and then we can assume he's mashiach and then if he's successful he's victorious he pulls the basement she gathers the jewish people back there it's israel he's certainly mashiach and then discusses how he's going to repair the whole world and bring the whole world into a consciousness of oneness serving hashem he also discusses the at the development of christianity and islam which despite the fact that they brought and wreaked havoc and terror nonetheless in god's mysterious way they also pave the road for the consciousness of one as the goal of consciousness that will pervade the world when meshiach actually comes today we continue with perish name also the 12th chapter of rambam we're going to learn some of it inside and then we're going to learn the sikh of the laboratory on this pairing in rambam pedrik's name also but first let's begin with the rambam so we have the whole context so please open up rambam actually the last chapter of rambam this is the last chapter of the rambam's mission of toyota and we're going to learn inside sagittarium don't think that during the days of mashiach something of the nature of the world is going to be obliterated but there's going to be a new unprecedented in innovation in the work of creation the days of the world is going to follow its ordinary and natural patterns i have a great question ishaya pedukidal of isaiah chapter 11 afraid of akron the prophet speaks about mashiach this is going to be mashiach regards the wolf shall live with the lamb and the leopard will lie with the goat new the wolf living with the lamb and peace and the leopard with the goat this is not natural according to the laws of the jungle when the leopard sees the goat or the wolf sees the lamb the wolf devours the lamb so how could the rambom say he's asking on himself that mashiach is not going to transform the nature of the world says the martial these words in yeshaya and isaiah are a metaphor and a parable the indian explain to you what the metaphor is it's a metaphor that the jewish people are going to dwell in security and peace with the wicked ones of the idolaters who are compared to the wolf and the leopard so even though throughout history you had all of those toxic forces of venomous hate and anti-semitism that wanted persecuted goodness and hunted down good people and hunted down the jewish people well mashiach comes the wolf will lie with the lamb as a metaphor that all the nations will experience camaraderie and brotherhood and love and unity shenanima the passage says it's a verse in yermia which speaks about the wolf coming from the forest is going to rob and the red leopard is shaykh al-arayam is is hastening to attack their cities and it's a metaphor for various nations who are overtaken by the quest for to conquer and to denigrate and to persecute the yakuza kulam everybody will return to the religion of truth they will not steal from each other they will not destroy each other everybody will eat and consume things that are permissible in peace together with the jewish people should never have the possible says the lion like the cattle will eat straw col similarly anything that you read similar to the above statement in the theme of meshiach you should understand we will become aware what the metaphor was for and what they intimated with this metaphor in other words the rambam is saying now we read a lot of these verses we may not know what these metaphors represent one he explained the wolf will live with the lamb but the other ones he says when mashiach comes we will see the illustration of these metaphors and parables let's take a look right here before we go to halacha base the rambam says you see he finishes alvin there's a comment here from the river of ram and david sagas arrive it says comes the world will follow the natural trajectory of things when the passage predicts and purchases i will eliminate wild beasts from the land that's not natural there are undomesticated beasts it's a question of the raven on the rambam we'll get to it continues there is no difference between this world and the days of mashiach besides the subjugation of the kingdoms clearly this is proof to the rambam if the sages said that the only difference between this world and the world of moshiach is that in this world the jewish people are still subjugated and they live often under tyranny or dictatorship or oppression or anti-semitism but then they're going to be free they're going to be emancipated but this is not a change in the order of the world this is not a change in nature this is still all part of nature it's just that people will be united people will be cognizant of who they really are and people will live up to their positive and divine potential and then the rambam continues a long discussion in halakha bays in allah gimmel about the war of guigan magog about the coming of elio hanavi and now i want to go with you to the last two hey nice one the sages and the prophets did not create for the days of mashiach and now that they should dominate all the nations and now that the nations should exalt them the like they like toys and not just to eat and drink and rejoice that's not why they wanted mashiach rather they should have time they should be open to be able to live and dwell in torah and its wisdom they shouldn't have any oppressor and anybody who takes them away from turned on its wisdom as we explained in chuva that's why they wanted and now the rambam concludes the entire mission of terror the last there will not be hunger or war or jealousy or negative competitiveness because goodness will be excessively abundant and all of the delicacies in life all of the delicious things in life will be as common and natural as dust they will be so abundant so there won't be war there won't be hunger there won't be jealousy there won't be competitiveness there'll be so much goodness everybody will have the occupation of the whole world will be one thing to know god that will be the asic the involvement the business of the entire universe all of civilization will be evolved and immersed in divine awareness the awareness and the consciousness of the divine thus the jews will be great sages via they will become aware of the secrets of life yes they will become cognizant and comprehend the perception of their creator they'll acquire their creator's mind according to the capacity of a human being as the pastor says in ishai the same chapter chapter 11 the earth the world will be filled with divine awareness like water covers the sea this is how the passage describes the days of meshiach from here the rambam has the proof the foundation that the whole world is going to be involved in saturated with divine consciousness with divine oneness with divine awareness mother is there shashank this is base i mentioned to you in the past that lubavitcheremba would make during the year publicly approximately six cu mem sometimes i'll see him on the whole shas and sometimes i see him on an individual message this was during the art sites he would do it often on his birthday at all of nissan and then the yard site of his uh of his father yard said of his mother evolved israel yards out of his father-in-law very often area of schwes before schwes and yutez kislev as well and sometimes on other occasions but this was very common yet alephness in his birthday make a seal and uh of schwarz number two khaf his father's yard sight for tisha his mother's yard said you test kisl of the kagagula of the balatani yard sight of his predecessor the the sixth sometimes the rebel would make seyum other times as well uh but these these dates were often not always but we would make regular suyum every year during these dates in top shelf and gimmel 1973 your aleph nissan derebben made asiyam anahana namaskars and this was the rebbe's 71st birthday of nissan of shalom with gimbal 90s and you may see monk service and it was also a seem on the whole rambam a mission to adorama now this is years before he instituted the learning of rambam which would only be instituted pesach 1984. so this is this is 11 years earlier but miraci amongsuvas and assima rambam he continued it in four parts four shiurim four fabregans nissan was the first part of the sea among service that's when he really brought out the point and then he continued at the next shabbos shaba sagadal and then he continued the hadrian service and then he completed it the shabbos after pesach shabbos parshas akhire i think mavarakha mahadasha later it was printed 1985 i think and it's printed in la cote cities parishes volume 27 a very long with a lot of footnotes later it was published translated and published in the dvar malhouse which is contains the rambam hillchress and a few cities a few of the shiraman presentations and talks of the laboratory published in that conscious varmalchus that we're now learning in our previous year we focused on the rebbe's sichus on pericured aleph that was said in 1978 printed in helicopters and that is really an introduction to this year so i want to encourage you if you didn't hear this what is the rambam's view part one and part two would be very worthwhile to go back and listen to it you could do it on double speed as i said double speed was created for my classes because they're long sometimes and you can go to the yeshiva.net t-h-e-y-e-shiva.net and if you if you go to recent classes or you put in search uh it should come up and you could see the two classes on the previous sikh of the rebbe explaining pain a good aleph tonight we begin this sikh of tough shalom with gimbal the sea amongst which explains pericute bays not all of pedicure-based part of pedicure bays of the rambam we're going to learn inside we're going to learn inside it's it's one of the longest cities of the ever so we're going to do it in two parts tonight bazer hashem we're gonna do part one and sunday morning 10 o'clock am we do part two okay let's begin again if you didn't open your source sheet sorry for my repeating myself i want you to be able to follow inside go to the shiva.net go to this class it's on top of the home page and open up your source sheet so you could follow inside even though the system was set in your dish and published in your dish and you could follow it in your dish but we're going to do it here in the hebrew translations everybody can understand sim and gimmel state this is a gervang with the govaldik that the rabbit brings out in the rambam and he shows it in the rambam and really gives us a whole powerful perspective how the rambam defines what mashiach is and it's a direct continuation as i said to the previous shia that we had semen allah according to the rambam what is this concept called why do we believe in him why do we wait for him and this is a direct continuation so we see how the two chapters of the rambam are so interconnected and how every word and expression and detail in the rambam is so meticulous as we will be azer hashem explained during this year okay let's begin because i want to cover ground i'm going to go a little fast here but if you have any questions you can ask questions if you want to do questions on zoom you could do questions on zoom in the chat or you could do it on the yeshiva.net in the comments and i'll look at it i'll look at it soon and i'll take some questions if there are okay um in the last chapter of the amber rights know now let's go to the rambam for a moment the rambam here set forth a powerful statement don't let it come up on your heart that moshiach is going to change the world it's going to be a new world order it's a different type of world the natural phenomenon phenomena is going to be altered don't think that's going to happen everything is going to follow the patterns of nature the way it was before meshiach the difference is shibu is don't be exile anymore there won't be subjugation tyranny oppression gevaldek but isn't this a direct contradiction to clear statements of khazal khazal said um in terrorist korean which was one of the earliest madrashim of ghazal on safer it's called terrorist king on the passage where hashem promises that the eights are assad the eating period the trees of the field will produce its fruit minayan shafilan israq asiddim lee is ice impedance talmud lloyd viii how do we know that our mashiach comes even barren trees are going to produce fruits from the passage of eight houses the fruit the tree of the field will give its fruits if you take a look at masak silva's mama's the end at the end of this these are the last words of meshes all of the wild barren trees in here tistral are going to carry fruits shenanigans says in yoyo joel chapter 2 he ate no superiority to aina vegeta the tree carried its fruit the fig and the vine produced their strength shazam shabbat learns from this redundancy it says the tree carried the fruit and the fig and the vine gave it strength so it already speaks about the fig and the vine what does the deposit first speak about the tree this teaches us that even that tree that's not a fig tree it's not a vine it's a barren tree that tree will also produce fruits but friends isn't this bitum in hagershel doesn't this represent a change of the structure of nature these are barren trees these are elon strac they're infertile they're not capable of producing fruits and that's why for thousands of years they never produce fruits and suddenly these trees are going to produce fruits this is a clear gemarrian surface ralph says this it's a clear terrorist kingdom because i'll say this they learn it out from the how could the rambo argue with this and it's not like the gamora continues and says oh there's another opinion that this is not true no this is the one singular opinion that everybody agrees with so i i know what you're thinking what's the answer new heaven what's a good answer for this the rambam asks the question we don't have to ask questions the ram already said the puzzle says in yoshai the wolf will live with the lamb and the rambam said it's a metaphor so you have that's it according to the rambam these statements of the sages are also a metaphor and a parable they don't mean physically barren trees will give fruits it's a metaphor it's an allegory look i'll give you an example the gemara tells us that trees that are fertile that produce food represent scholars as he brings footnote 16 the swords tightness of zion ilan ishraq fruits that don't the trees that don't produce fruits represent amaharits people who are completely ignorant it's a beautiful idea khazal metaphorically wanted to bring out that when meshiach comes everybody will be saturated with terror wisdom everybody will be saturated with divine wisdom even the barren trees representing amearas they will also produce fruits okay wonderful metaphor that's not a change in the nature of the world so just like the rambam took the verse in ishaiah the wolf will live with the lamb and he explained it doesn't mean literal it's not not to be understood literally it's to be understood allegorically so the same is true with all these statements of the khazal and terrorists there's other interpretations you can give gives an 18 another interpretation the gemara says it decided that fruits represents mitzvos so the rebbe says even those jews that today are considered barren trees they don't produce fruits in other words they don't do mitzvahs when mashiach comes they're going to be filled with fruit they'll be filled with metaphors another beautiful metaphor just to bring out the refinement of the laboratory rebecca's language in footnote 18 he writes shigam elusive mitzvahs uh instead of saying even those jews who don't do any mitzvahs or those jews who are pasha yisrael who are sinners the way the rebel puts it is even those jews who today they are filled with mitzvas like a pomegranate because the gemara says in brachiosaur that even the sinners of jews are filled with mitzvahs like pomegranates when moshiach comes they're going to do a lot of mitzvahs and mice even more than a pomegranate focus and learn from the language of how he's expressing this idea i will ef shilloy mccain but it's really not possible to say this king no you said the mclaughlin i'll do this first of all it's easier to explain a pussac as metaphoric when it says the wolf will live with the lamb and the leopard will lay with the goat you can appreciate the idea that it's a metaphor it doesn't mean literally the goat and the lamb the lamb and the goat not the lamb of the god the wolf and the lamb and the leopard and the goat it's a metaphor when it comes to the chazal to the gemara tannoyman and they say rav says that the trees in our tissue are going to be giving fruits even the barren trees to say that it's a metaphor it's much more far-fetched that's number one but in this case it's even more difficult because even if you could say that you could explain it as a metaphor even gemara you can explain as a metaphor but let's let's look at context it doesn't just say barren fruits will give barren trees will give fruits it's in context of a whole series of physical blessings the teres kai name explains the previous sentence imperial the earth will produce its vegetation and the tree of the field will produce its fruits so the terrorist gangnam explains what does it mean not the way that trees and the earth vegetate now but the way it was originally in the time of admiration you planted and the growth happened that very day furthermore the eights itself you can eat the bark of the tree just like the fruit the bark the tree itself was edible what all this is metaphor all this is allegory when the terrorist carrying them says that the state of botany is going to be the way it was in the times of admiration what is this a metaphor you're talking about admiration that's also a metaphor it doesn't make sense so obviously you have to explain the terrorist kingdom here in literal in to be literal you're talking about the physical thing you're saying the way the trees used to behave in the times of admiration so what is that all a metaphor no he's saying when you plant it it grew that day you planted seeds whether it's whether it's grain whether it's fruits zuya native it grew that day it doesn't make sense to say all this is metaphor so that means it's practical it's physical so when the terrorist kingdom continues that the barren trees will give fruits it's obviously not metaphoric it's literal furthermore all that is a big service the same is true in the sacred service when rav says that the barren trees are going to give crews it's a series there's a series of statements that when you read them they have to be explained literally ludogma for example it says prepared a scale in which he would weigh the stones of eretz israel versus the stones of the diaspora and he showed that the stone of which it's all a lot heavier katiguri all metaphors with the scale as a metaphor the stones as a metaphor would be very strange mckibben chicane so what used to prepare a scale and it wasn't a scale it was a metaphor it doesn't make sense it's a story the kevin chicano established a god my research so now to say that the one statement about the barren trees this is allegorical it's not literal it's really taking it out of context it's not a way to learn so you have to say that the gemara and there is mean literally if it's literal that the barren trees are going to produce fruits that is a change of nature and it says that this is going to happen when mashiach comes and they prove it from the verses how could the rambam argue with this and make a blanket statement don't think that anything is going to change in nature it says i'm going to eliminate wild beasts from the land is that a metaphor is that a metaphor on the rambam cost of veins sharks over marshall marshall it's a metaphor just like the wolf living with a lamb is a metaphor eliminating wild undomesticated beasts from the land is also a metaphor just like he said the wolf represents the anti-semite and the lamb represents the jew and they're going to live together in peace we won't have to deal with all the hatred and venomous persecution it's going to be a beautiful peaceful loving world i'm going to eliminate the wild beasts from the world doesn't mean a change of nature there won't be any more lionesses and cheetahs and tigers and hyenas it means a metaphor people who behave like wild undomesticated beasts will be transformed beautiful says i don't know why the arrival it has a problem with this and then their advance continues i'll tell you what you should really understand and believe that actually in heir to straw it's not going to be a metaphoric it's going to be literal like it says that the wild animals will not destroy each other in my holy mountain because of the land will be filled with god awareness the land one land eric israel is inherited there will not be any more wild animals only out yourself it's a metaphor but i want to tell you the truth there's a difference between eric israel and the rest of the world and the rest of the world the world is going to continue according to its natural patterns and that's what the number meant in their sister ali over there taka over there indeed nature is going to change and that's why he says it says i'm going to eliminate a wild animal from the land for marriage israel over there the tucker going to be unique changes the rest of the world not and all the metaphors where it says the wolf will live with the lamb not only in israel that's taka metaphor because outside of virtustreal there won't be any miracles that are going to alter the state of nature if this is true you could say this is kind of illness so then you could say schmack that the rambam and derive actually argue and their argument could be traced back to these two statements in terrorist kainem and the massachusetts which talk about barren trees did you notice the difference between terrorists karen and max service let's see he just says ilani struck the language indicates that it's everywhere not only it's israel i have the bay name what's the difference here we see a difference according to the terrorist cayenne the whole world is going to be altered and therefore the barren trees everywhere will produce fruits according to the gemara no no no no the world is going to follow its natural order and therefore barren fruits will not produce fruits eritreal is an exception we could say beautifully very geshmak the rambam follows gamorak silvas they arrive it follows terrorists believing that the whole world is going to be altered and therefore barren trees in all regions and all zip codes are going to begin to produce fruit and that's why the rambam proves his point from the pasek vishvati ram in ariz which he explains not to be only inherited all the whole world ext wild beasts will be removed it's not a metaphor and in fact if you look in tyrus kai and him on the passing there's an argument in the vehicle if you this says god will remove the wild animals rip shimon says he will alter their nature that they won't be harmful anymore but look they changed the apostles oh they don't learn how to israel they see aryt as the planet earth planet earth so derivative follows that pattern that the whole world is going to be changed so therefore there won't be wild animals anywhere either they'll be eliminated like a behavior or be transformed like shipment and all the barren trees will produce fruits the rambam follows the gomorrah the gomorrah says elon israel canada's israel will produce fruits meaning should believe that inaudib will be altered but the rest of the world the world will follow its patterns of nature okay this is how the radwa sees the rambam and it fits beautifully with the tortoise kainem and the gemara and everything should be fine now why the rambam says inaudible right i agree i agree nature will be altered the rest of the world not says but the truth is if we reflect on the commentary of the advance it's really very difficult to understand especially to explain the words of the ramp and let's let's take this apart first question is in a question how can you put this into the rambam you can't put this into the ramp and the truth is it's possible that their advance didn't even want to put this into their bomb their advisor was just saying let me tell you how it's going to be even though it sounds like a little bit he's trying to interpret the rambla but take a look at the ram the rambam says don't think that in the days of mashiach anything in the natural patterns in which our planet runs will be obliterated or altered or transformed now does this sound like eric israel is different if inherits israel there's going to be miracle after miracle and nature will not continue inherit israel the reality will defy the laws of nature the laws of nature will be metamorphosized and transformed radically how could their emblems say just because it's not in every zip code but if it's inherited strong this means that it's bitumen so just the very premise to say that the rambam holds that there's a difference between eric israel and hutzler it's it seems very very difficult to put it into the rambam the rambam doesn't even give us a hint that there's a difference between one part of the world and another part of the world and if he would believe there's a if he would and if the rambam believed there was a difference then his words are completely inconsistent with that belief because the point of the rambam is when she comes nature is going to continue but if the whole earth is strong is going to be radically metamorphosized sorry that's not called nature continuing if it's even one corner of the world where everything is transformed so the point is that it's not alpiteva i don't care if it's one place there are many places it's it's certainly bitter menage why because right now eric israel also follows nature and if then it's not going to follow nature that is a radical change so you can't say it's not going to be not going to be a change you can't put this into the ramen i'm sorry it doesn't make sense that means according to the realm of even in history there will be no changes this means the rambam is not agreeing not with terrorist crime and not with the gemara because he holds that barren trees are not giving any fruits so there's a contradiction that's question number one question number two is a very interesting question a very original very interesting question do you remember pedicured aleph the rambam said meshiach is not going to have to make miracles how do i know because ribby akiva and all the sages of his generation believed and considered ben kuziev to be mashiach now this was not just some fantasy and hallucination he says they were so convinced that he's mashiach they went to war against rome which means they endangered their lives they could have surrendered to rome and maybe more jews would have been saved the romans were romans were brutal but if they wouldn't have staged a rebellion perhaps some lives would be saved but they endangered their lives because barca said we are going to liberate judea from the romans and indeed for a few years bharakulva was very successful he even began to build the third base amiktas didn't work out at the end barkaisha was murdered and the rebellion was crushed but i don't know if you know that barkaichva caused by kaif i think was the one person in history who wiped out one or two complete roman legions it was incredible he had incredible success have to do miracles because it can't be their bachelor and all of the were completely off target completely erroneous in halakhah if part of the death of the definition of mashich and part of the proof that he is mashiach is he has to produce miracles how can they even consider bank for to be a member to be a mashiach it's impossible just like a prophet the rambam says how do you know that a prophet is a prophet he says the prophet has to predict the future and if it's indeed materialized you know that he's authentic prophet what happens if he predicts the future and it doesn't come true then you know he's a liar the fact that they can say and ascertain that he's meshiach and the rambam doesn't say doesn't believe they made a mistake they were fooled they were duped he doesn't believe that all the who carry the truth of turner they are responding with observation should make such a mistake they didn't make a mistake they were right mushrik doesn't have to do miracles their among says he was killed because of sins in other words he ultimately could not he did not fulfill his mission all the way he did not bring the ghoul he was killed because of sins but it's not that they were erroneous in the criteria of mashiach so here is a big question if the rambam holds that part of mashiach miracles and eretz israel where did the barcaka story happen in new york in atlanta in los angeles in chicago and toronto when did it happen it happened later strong where were the miracles we were the miracles the iran proofs from barca mashems doesn't have to make miracles that the world is going to follow nature and that's why they didn't expect miracles but you're saying that there will no inaudible so then the rambam's proof is refuted they should have expected miracles obviously it's much more logical to say that their amber molds that even in h israel when mashiach comes nature will not be altered and the world will follow the patterns of nature so we're back to square one we have a serious question it seems like the rambam statement statements are in direct contradiction with the statements of ghazal that nature will be altered when mashiach comes during the messianic era hey a new answer for avoid say foreign 14th and 15th century he says means something else it means god will not create new things that define nature but he will allow the world to be restored to its pristine nature the way it was in the beginning of creation before the corruption and the downfall of adam and hawa by eating of the tree of knowledge and all the subsequent see all the subsequent sins and transgressions the world will be restored to its original ideal state of reality the way it was in the beginning of creation indeed there will not be a new world order nature will not be defined but nature will be restored to its pristine state if so when the titus kingdom says that you'll be able to plant fruits and they're going to be produced that day or similar by marijuana it's not a problem it's not a contradiction because the rambam never says there's not going to be any things doesn't mean that there won't be any new things in nature that we don't have now he means there won't be any radically new things in nature that we never had but if this we had in the beginning of creation in the times of adam like it says ontario's cayenne that fruits were produced the same day the rabble would be fine with that alpine beijing and this would answer the question i'll eliminate wild animals from the world barren trees are going to produce fruits the ramen says i agree i have no problem ghazal said it of course it's going to happen i i told you nature will not be altered this is not a real altering of nature this is how creation was in the beginning in the beginning of creation all trees produced fruits and no animal would harm any other animal this is the famous in 37 it brings two rambans ramban number coyote explains that in the beginning of creation animals did not kill each other they didn't destroy each other they didn't devour each other they didn't devour human beings and all barren trees gave fruits in other words nature was at its best through the sin of the tree of knowledge things changed hashem says thorns are going to grow some trees become barren with the sweat of your brow you're gonna eat bread some animals become wild and undomesticated when meshiach comes nature goes back to itself it's nature at its best it's not a new nature it's tivolium in hungary shalom it's nature at its best beautiful we answered everything has no problem barren trees will give fruits aye i said nature is not changing it's not changing it's going back to its pristine ideal properties we're not defying the laws we're not creating a new world i know the question here so why can't the rambam say the wolf will live with the lamb literally if if according to nature the animals didn't damage each other so why does that have to be a metaphor so he says in martian converges from the fire i'm sure marshall yeah the civilian [Music] there was no such a thing that an animal would harm somebody just to damage out of anger or out of impulse the only purpose would be a part of the food chain the food web for their food so if that's the case the wolf did not live with the lamb in the beginning of the brie and not like the ramban because the wolf would devour the lamb only for food not to be masak so visbati means you're not going to have a wild animal they're just trying to harm but for food purposes if it's hungry that may happen because that was not there but that's what their ammo says the wolf will live with the lamb that's a metaphor this is perhaps a possible interpretation valve yes le cashers uh i'm going to save of outside i'm going to save outside you could you could follow it inside but i'm just going to say it outside if this explanation is true a very different explanation than there advas this is a question based on the aveda circades we can again connect it to a very interesting change between the language ontario skyrim and the languaging service to the sky in them it says ilana is in paris barren trees are going to produce fruits in suvis in gemara barren trees are going to carry fruits they're going to be loaded with fruits what's the difference is sounds like they're going to naturally produce fruits organically just like other fertile fruit trees yita nu peres means they're going to be loaded with fruits it sounds like it's not organic it's really something that is alien to them and the truth is this difference you could see in the psukim from which they derive their lesson the torah escalator learns it from the words of eta yi all trees including barons will produce fruits the gemara learns it from the pasta creates nasa period the tree will carry will be loaded with fruits in other words the pasta contains cayenne the pasik that the gemara brings in silvas distinguishes between eights and to ena and geffen eights is a barren tree the a nan gafinos nuclem is an eighth pre as rashi explains the possibles are distinguishes by the aids pre-lamp they're going to produce their strength produce not not so they're not carrying it it also says it's their strength it's their own by alanis rock it says nossa they're gonna carry it it says like i put something on you it's not coming from you if i take fruits and i put it in a basket and i put it on your hands you're carrying fruits but it's not produced from you so from the teres cayenne it seems like it's going to be organic from the gemara it seems like it's going to be loaded with fruits but it's not going to be from within what's the difference so the rebbe says there's a fascinating argument in madrid a fascinating argument if in the beginning of creation barren fruits produced fruits barren trees produced fruits or not we have papa of pinchas holtz this is madhu shrab the parsha hay footnote 43. we have pinchas holds that even barren trees produced fruits in the beginning of creation he learns it out from the passage it says emberatious ate spree ates i supreme that even barren trees produce fruits so therefore if when mashiach comes barren trees will produce fruits it's not going to be a new thing that never was before it's going to be restoring nature to its original glory the way it was in the beginning of creation in other words when hashem created trees in the beginning of creation he created all trees with the ability and the capacity to produce fruits it's just in some trees that capacity was dormant for thousands of years and it's going to be triggered and aroused again that's the view of the terrorist cayenne is basically saying in the context that what happened by adam is going to happen again growth happened in one day the bark itself could be eaten and one more thing barren trees will come back to their original life and be able to produce life the gemara holds like the second opinion in madrid the second opinion in madras is that in the beginning of creation barren trees did not produce fruits so when mashiach comes and the trees are going to produce fruits they're not going to produce it it's going to be a kiddish it's going to be an innovation it's like carrying it there's going to be something alien even though these trees are going to grow fruits but it's not going to be organic holistic like from the tree itself basically revealing the true nature of the tree the way it was in the beginning of creation no it's as though you're loading the tree with fruits from somewhere else because it's not part of the dna of the tree in the original of the original project of creation if this is the case so then the rambam would work very well the rambam doesn't have to disagree with mahmoud khazang the rambam could follow the terrorist cayenne who says who says that what that elon israeq are going to have fruits and who believes as we explain that in the beginning illinois fruits in other words as part of the dna of all trees it's just that this nature was dormant and latent and repressed for thousands of years oh mashiach comes it's going to come back to the original teva of the world and therefore it's no contradiction to what the rambam is saying based on that and it seemed like we answered all the questions comes the review but if we go a little deeper it still doesn't work it doesn't work why ki alef will be changed in the future based on how they were in the beginning of creation is a problematic shot we're trying to prove that the rambam is attaching himself to a view that elon made pedes in the beginning of the world the beginning of creation in other words it's part of the dna so can happen comes and we're trying to explain that's the idea of terrorist karen and versus gemarak service governor silva says it didn't happen before it's going to happen only when she comes and that's why it's as though the trees are being loaded with fruits from elsewhere even though these fruits are growing from the tree but it's essentially alien it's a conditioned tree the teres kind of says no it's really organic it's part of the dna it was just dormant for so many years but one second read the terrorists kind of you'll see it's inconsistent tony's cannon gives a list of many things that used to be in the times of adam for example planting and growing the same day planting and vegetation the same day the bark was eaten when it comes to the deta and the players kind of proves from the sukkah that these qualities exist during the days of admiration when the terrorists kind of speaks about barren trees producing fruit comes it does not say this wasn't the time of admiration on the contrary he learns it out from apostle comparison about the future period after the ghoul this means according to the very skin it's not part of the dna of creation it's actually a kiddish of the future that was not in the past if it's part of the future that was not in the past then if the rambam would agree to it that the rambam is saying that nature is being transformed so he's contradicting himself so you have to say the rambam does not hold that barren trees will produce fruits but that mamash contradicts what the ghazal base is even if you're going to want to cletch and say that when the terrorist kaiyanam says like the days of adam it's including also this detail of barren trees if you look at the view of rapinkus he actually says that when hashem created the world he wanted this to be barren trees it was a rebellion of the trees that even the barren trees produced fruits in contrary to god's commandment and after the sin this rebellion was silenced so this means that if you take back nature to its pristine glory they're supposed to be barren trees so even if you want to say that the way it was by adam there were barren trees that produced fruits based on repentance's view zolzain but according because it was actually an aberration the trees did the wrong thing so you say well mashiach comes we're going to go back to the tree sinning that doesn't make sense we're going to go back to the glory of nature to the pristine nature and that means that there's going to be barren trees but khazal are saying that when mashiach comes the barren trees are going to produce fruits that means it's going to be a new thing here so we have a very serious problem now you could answer this like he does in 48 you could say that there are bond holds that there were fruits and barren trees before creation and that was the original nature and then it was corrupted so the rambam would agree with that tucker not based on the terrorist cayenne and mainland not based on repentance you could say but now we come to the real question any way you want to look at this we have a big problem okay kosher we come now back to the crux of the issue of much better honestly and objectively when you read the words of the rambam don't think when mashiach comes nature is going to change you could see he's not only negating a radical metamorphosis in creation he's negating anything that alters the pattern of the world and nobody's going to tell me that when barren trees start producing fruits everybody's going to look and say oh this is the natural pattern of the universe peter schmidt hager shalom the rambam says don't think mashiach is going to be mavato mean hoga shalom what does a minigame mean means routine behavior tradition the way people live the way people behave is not going to make any changes in minhash mean says means the way the world runs the way the world behaves the way nature operates in a state an established fixed way now is who cares when this pattern was established the pattern that barren trees don't give fruits if it was established this first tuesday of creation if it was established a few days later tell me what's the meaning of barren trees to give fruits or not to give fruits for thousands and thousands of years these trees don't give fruits and for thousands and thousands of years these animals are wild undomesticated dangerous beasts so you're gonna tell me because for a few days 5781 years ago these animals were on good behavior and these trees were fertile so now when mashiach comes and these animals are completely transformed and these trees are transformed we're going to say oh this is the pattern of the world this is the meaning of the island come on how could you put this into the rambam it's inconsistent it's it's it's it's it's it seems intellectually dishonest i mean hagar shalom is that barren trees don't produce fruits and wild animals are wild animals and if suddenly they alter their behavior it's a bitter menage so to take this away the sarcasm to impose it on the rambam seems unfair he says it's absurd to say that the nature of barren trees hasn't changed they're really supposed to produce fruits and they're like regular trees there's like an external reason god made a decrease of some technical thing they don't produce fruits an example would be let's say it doesn't rain it doesn't rain he says in 51 ain't mutter yogurt if this doesn't rain you're not going to say oh the tree is an infertile tree it's a fine tree it just didn't rain it didn't get enough water so you could say maybe the same thing really this tree produces fruits hashem made a decree it shouldn't produce fruits the same is true with the animals these animals are the most domesticated well-mannered well-behaved they love you they're not wild it's a technical thing you know they're scared of something he says it's not a way of and then therefore so mean islam is they should be who they are it it should rain and there should be fruits that it says it doesn't make sense to touch it like that obviously we understand that after the nature of these trees changed and the nature of these animals changed even if you want to say that before the sadas they were talk of a different nature and therefore to put in the rambam these words and to say that according to the rambam barren trees are going to produce fruits wild animals are going to be eliminated or transformed and this works with the words of the rambam as intellectually dishonest this is a bitter minhaga shalom it's a hidden mysterious so we're back to square one their advance didn't work for us didn't work for us we're trying to understand what the rambam was thinking the rambam new agamar ranks overs so rather quite unheard you could say is a martial like the advance say but the illness shrak is not a motion how can he say there won't be a dominant shall islam he can't contradict agamata without his kingdom they have sukim this is what khazal believed how can the rambam say don't think that mashiach is going to change but anything of nature is going to change yes we're going to learn one more step and then we're going to take a break for you [Music] a so all this will be on the stairs will be understood by delving more into the ramp the world will follow patterns of nature because he follows the opinion which he himself quotes in halakhah based peri could be allah based the opinion of shmuel that the only distinction between this world and mashiach is subjugation of the kingdoms where the jews are under a tyranny that's the only difference clearly small holes there's no other difference if barren trees are going to produce fruits then there's a big difference between aluminum but if you say the only difference is that the jews will not be oppressed anymore they're going to be free they're going to be emancipated they're going to be able to live fully as jews the world will be at peace that's a difference within the realm of nature you don't have to define nature so small says this is that all of the prophecies that we read in tanakh about unique things that are going to happen in the world all relate to meshiach there are going to be many changes shmuel holds there won't be any changes besides jews will not have anybody on their backs shibu malkias will be gone obviously the rambam embraces shmua he says it clearly in allah base that hazal said and this is the source for his opinion that what that nature will not be altered okay so now you might say okay so what do you want from the rambam the rambam is following shmuel what do you want from the realm however small explains all the gemaras their album will explain the gemaras right so what do you want from the rambam okay so we transferred the question from the rambam to schmuel does who will disagree with rav that the illani iraq will give fruits does the small the terrorist skin learning stuff will give fruits but before we get there so it's clear that rambam is following shmuel the lecher mishna in hilkish chuva asks two bomb questions it's clear that there is a major contradiction in rambam isa murder gomorrah says in brahes is all the prophets prophesized about the beautiful things that are going to happen about the days of meshiach the future world post mashiach there's no eye has perceived outside of god nobody even knows what is something is very strange and hilka is true the rambam clearly quotes the barabba in other words he embraces this view that is unique but all the prophecies are about mashiach in hilkha's malachim he clearly embraces the view of shmuel which is at odds with the view of so there is an inherent paradox in the rambam in his own magnum opus and yada kazakh in one place he embraces one view of mashiach and in another place he embraces the opposite view of mashiach the gomorrah clearly says that there are odds with each other you can't say they're not the gemara says the name is arguing that the prophecies of mashiach are unique to the days of mashir where extraordinary things are going to happen small says no no no jews will be emancipated from subjugation that's the only thing that's going to happen the only thing is going to happen and he'll direct them takes one side and also he takes the opposite side asks one more major question very powerful question listen to this name you're not going to is a lot of weird clothes but you're not going to carry clothes in your hands you're not going to carry a hat you're not going to carry a cup are you allowed to carry a sword people would go out in the street with a sword or a bow you're not allowed and if you did inadvertently the time of the best you have to bring a sin offering for violating shabbos inadvertently it's like ornaments it's like jewelry people wear jewelry on shabbos they wear ornaments on shampoos this is an ornament it's a beautiful it's part of the aesthetical garments for shabbos says wear a sword is a disgrace shanamar the posix says that when meshiach comes they will crush their swords into plowshares vagani says le mismiros and their spears they will turn into prune hooks a nation won't lift a sword to another nation and they will not learn combat any longer she says if a sword and a bow and other weapons are ornaments why does the prophet tell us that when mashiach comes they will all be obliterated they're going to take their swords and turn them into ploughshares they're going to take their spears and turn them into prune hooks if rebel ezra is right that there are ornaments why can't there be ornaments when meshiach comes why do they have to be obliterated so proof says that these tournaments are no ornaments they're weapons they're instruments of war of combat of negativity of battle of course when the shia comes they're going to be obliterated so how can you walk out with them on shoppers we're not talking about if it's going to war we're talking about stop walk on shabbos with these these are not garments these are not something decorative you wear a tar you wear a suit you wear a nice hat a woman wears a piece of jewelry these are not jewelry what are you wearing them for it's not a lavush if you need it for war it's actually a disgrace for mashiach is going to be obliterated that's what the governor shall move days the governor brings two explanations in everlasting that weapons will be obliterated comes he doesn't agree with shmuel that there won't be any difference between this world and mashiach's world he holds but there will be a difference and there won't be any weapons and the reason why he holds that weapons are ornaments now he gives an example because when you need weapons for war they also serve as ornaments when you don't need them for war then they're useless they're not even ornaments he gives an example a candle is beautiful in the middle of the night by day when you don't need it it's not beautiful the fidelia a second opinion israel actually holds like small the weapons will not be obliterated when mashiach comes in other words mashiach is going to be the world just like this world and therefore there's going to be weapons because our world there are weapons the only difference is jews are going to be free and emancipated they won't be subjugated anymore but there will be weapons and therefore the laser holds they won't be obliterated anymore and therefore he holds us an ornament if mashiach comes it's going to be here but what is the hold hold everybody believes that when mashiach comes there won't be any weapons and that's why if you go out today with a weapon on shabbos it's not an ornament it's not a lavish because it's a disgrace it's not decorative it's not honorable it's not dignified it's like not like another cloak that you wear and therefore you're crying if you went out from a private domain to a public domain or you walked four cubits in the public domain you have to bring a carbon cartes who does the rambam pascal like in elkhorn harambe if you go out with a sword or with a bow with other weapons on shabbos inadvertently if you didn't know the halal you didn't know it's travis you have to bring a carbon catus because you violated choppers one second but they is like they will plow they will destroy they will crush the swords into plowshares and transform the spears into prune hooks in other words into instruments made to produce food to give nutrients and nutrition to the world kevaldik not like schmuel it's going to be a world with no weapons a world with no combat world with no conflict not the world of shmuel the world of not just that the jews themselves won't be another under another malchus the kimura clearly says they don't hold like shemo so here we have a big problem in their in embraces believing that they're not ornaments why are they not ornaments so you have to hold like shmuel because if you hold it they're not ornaments you have to hold like shmuel i'm sorry if you hold that they're not ornaments you have to hold the krebs but not like shmuel and the rambam clearly embraces that view and suddenly and he'll him he tells us no it's like there's no difference only shiba malki is what is going on here so this rambam is so riddled with paradox first of all he's contradicting the clear my murray khazal about what's going to happen mashiach comes second of all he's contradicting himself between houses and he'll third of all he's contradicting himself between so we're left with an enigma we're left with a difficulty rambam how are we supposed to read the rambam what is the rambam telling us how is the rambam understanding these how is he contradicting himself internally and again he's contradicting what ghazal clearly say about the times of mashirch and sif tess we're going to take a break now and say if tess the rebbe asks his final question on the rambam his final question on the rambam which really really creates the biggest problem of all the problems here how the rambam says it and the biggest question is the rambam says and also if you deny resurrection of the dead you don't have a helicopter the nature won't be changed dead people being resurrected as part of nature what is going on there this allows us and challenges us to re-read the rambam and when we re-read the rambam we're going to discover that the rambam and peter kidala from pericut bays has a very clear mahalak revolutionizing for us what mashiach is and what mashiach is going to accomplish and what the definition of and why it's the fundamental 13 fundamentals of yiddish and why somebody who doesn't believe in him or await his coming undermines the very foundation of torah the rambam is following one trajectory one mahalik what is mashiach from a jewish perspective from perspective and then the moment we can define that everything will fall into place like a puzzle like a mosaic like a perfect mosaic and tapestry all the contradictions will be resolved part two i'll see you sunday morning 10 o'clock am the azer and chambly neder have a wonderful evening let's take some questions i know the whole shia was questions so it's going to be questions on the questions if they're going to return to their true nature why is that bitter menhagelila because mean hunger is not about their true nature and not their true nature i mean what's the meaning of the wealth of the velt that's the shock mean is not if it's the true nature not the true nature v if this is completely in defiance of the behavior of the world it's bitumen fresh taste why can't the rambam hold the night to syrah nature will change he just says nature won't change outside of eretz israel because he doesn't say that the rambam doesn't say in outside of register all nature won't change take a look in the words of the room that's why we learned the rama in the beginning study the rambam well and you'll see the rep is very accurate in the words of the rambam look at the words allah he doesn't give any hint that it's coach lawrence and on the contrary if inaudible nature will change that is bituminogel islam that is a hadith in my separations so therefore to put there at bosses in the rambam is difficult if i'm not mistaking when the rebels said to see him he said over their advaz and he said lanie is deity you can't say this in the rambam because of this question and the question of ben kosiva that there were no miracles in arizona and they didn't have a problem with that that means you don't need miracles in ancestral these questions on the rambam seem so strong how can they be answered oh that's good that's good that means you understood the questions and based hashem will understand the answer as well bottom line did the lions eat lambs after creation before the sin of the tree of knowledge did leopards eat goats that plants grow in one day if so this is their true nature so what we see today is not their true nature after meshech they will return to their true nature before evil and good were mixed up because of adam's sin so what's the problem again let's say even this is their true nature let's say and this nature was distorted but after thousands of years if you're going back to their true nature it's bitter menhage besides all the other questions in the system that you could learn inside everybody i wish you a wonderful evening a lot of hats we should see the gili of mashiach our main before the next year sunday at 10 00 hashem will finish the explanation of the rabbi good night yo