הלכות שבת טעימה בין קידוש לעיקר סעודה - באנגלית, הרב שלום בער לוין שנת תשפ"ו

When someone wants to eat some nash between kesh and between washing the hands for kalas forn there are three [clears throat] reasons not to do so. There is a whole controversy about each one of them. In general the masc is that you could do it but in some details there is a mleus. So we'll discuss all these details as it is explained in sim ra and in other parts of the alter. Let's start with the first reason is if I eat nash between kdesh and washing the ants for hala I may not have such a appetite when I eat after that the hala and the whole meal because I have started with something else. So there is a dein that is also exclaimed in simmon ramen test that one is not allowed to eat as udok do like we have for a hass or form or for a bree in middle of the day a Friday because that big suda would cause I should not have the appetite so much of eating the suda shabas but it says that if it's like a or mitzvah that I cannot push it off for another day then this suda is also a mitzvah so the suda of the mitzvah you cannot say you're not allowed to have shabas because you will miss the appetite of sud shabas. They are both mitzvah. And if the mitzvah is something that you could push it off for another day, let's say you want to have a dinner for the shiv and you could do it on Saturday. So you shouldn't do it on Friday because if you eat a whole meal, a big s on Friday, you will miss the appetite for the suda shabas. But if it is like ras that you cannot push it off for another day, you want to do it in this day, then you could. This is in general the din for a sudic day. But a regular suda, we know each one of us eats a suda on Friday. And there is no problem in that. There is only a little problem that if you want to start this sudo regular sud washing and eating a regular meal the last three hours of Friday the last three choices money is fork then it's better not to start then why for the same reason if you will eat a sud the regulars would in the last three hours then you will miss the appetite for the shabas meal. We learned that from Pes by Pes it says in this last three hours you're not allowed to eat because that will certainly take away the appetite of eating and the eating of say P. We have to eat it with appetite. This is what a Mishna says about Pes. But the whole year on Friday before Shabas, it doesn't say that you're not allowed to. It just says mitzvah not to. It is a good thing not to start this the meal then because then you will have a better appetite for the suda shabs. So you could eat the meal before shabas comes in, but after shabas comes in, you're not allowed to eat anything [clears throat] till kdesh. You're not even allowed to drink after sunset before kdesh. But it is still nega if you want to eat something not a meal a nash after kesh before you wash then it's better not to because if you will eat then the nash then certainly it will take away some of the appetite of the sudas shabas. So he says that finally you are allowed to but he feels is summarizing in as we said that only of Pes we're not allowed to eat a meal but of Shabas we are allowed because there is no din that you're not allowed to it is just better so it's mitzvah so if someone wants to eat a mash after kesh before the he is washing for the suda you shouldn't be mo in him on [clears throat] him because it's not the end of the world you could do it. This is the first reason why we shall not eat an ash after kdesh before washing for the sud. So you could but then there is we will get to because with first we go to the first reason then we'll go to the second reason and then we'll go to the third reason about that there is a contra that you have mentioned. So let's go to the second reason. The second reason says that if you have two things that you want to eat, bread and something else, there is a to eat the bread first. If you eat something else, you are not there's a den of gime to bread. There's a din of to shiv minim for others. There is a of you say before. So here since you have the bread the nash you are supposed to be mimishna. So he says this is also not terrible and if someone wants to do it he may do it. Why? There is a dinner of so he says it's not so terrible means that you want to eat both. Let's say if you have two things on the table and you want to eat only one of them. There is nothing that you are supposed to eat the other one because there is a to the other one. If you eat both, you should start with the one that is. But if you eat only one, there is nothing. You could eat even the one that is not. So the same thing is here. Before you wash, you want to eat AN ASH. YOU DON'T want to eat now bread although it's not the same because here you do want to eat the bread but you want to EAT LATER NOW YOU WANT to eat nash so he says even in this case there is no problem because when you don't want to eat now YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO you could eat now the one that you want to eat Now as he is finalizing in the end of so you're supposed to eat bread before the you don't want to eat the in middle of the suda after you washed. You want to EAT THE NASH BEFORE THEN YOU have the appetite to eat the nash. [clears throat] So there is two reasons already about both reasons. He says that you don't have to care about it. If you don't you want to eat the nash, you could eat the nash before you wash for the suda. But then comes a third reason [clears throat] not to eat the nash. And this third reason there is a mle and there is one case that you could one case there is mle and there is a ste between here and with basin hill and there is a mas of the so let's discuss this third reason third reason is that if you are eating the nash before eating the bread, you have to say on it and after you finish you have to say on it or any you cannot rely on benching. Benching helps only on what you're eating in middle of the suda of what you eat before the suda for the reason of the suda. Let's say we say kdesh we don't have to say because the benching goes on kdesh because it's part of the suda because and there is other cases that this is effect but here when you eat the nash you don't eat the nash as appetizer which becomes part of the suda you eat the nash because now you WANT TO EAT THE NASH SO IT'S NOT SO then you would say and then you would have to say and then you could wash because the benching is not helping for this. So you added two brahas. There is a d that you are not allowed to add a bra if you don't have to. As explains, Fore! Foreign! Foreign! I want to eat say another. So we haven't by we say and we're not allowed to be mik between shiad and but if I answer in between or I want to say something then I have to say another. So when you do a YOU'RE CAUSING YOURSELF TO SAY another so you're not allowed to or there is a de that if you eat something not bread you eat something and the middle of eating you go out to another part of the house that you didn't think about it before or you go out outside of the house. You go in the front yard. Even you thought about it. This walking out is a hick and you come in, you have to say another bra if you didn't wash. So you caused you went out, you caused yourself to say another. So you're not allowed to because Even though that I want to add add why because there is a de that each one is supposed to say 100 bro a day it includes the tishmonas and the basar and the meal and the benching and all together it's underus like David was like brings down because in the three you have only each only six seven boas not 18 and other changes. So therefore you missing boas to be mal. So you could be mal with eating fruit or if you don't have food you could be mal by listening to ANSWERING AFTER IT'S ALSO CONSIDERED YOU HAVE NO CHOICE you consider that. So he wants to be mik in the middle of eating. He's going outside and coming back in. So he's ADDING A YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED to even shab like he says in the sim but that even that you want to be the So therefore, you're not allowed to eat the nash BEFORE THE SUDA. START WITH THE SUDA. So you wouldn't have to say the broker. You're missing for the kof for THE MAYOR BRO. YOU EAT the food another time or other ways. So therefore you're not allowed to still he says in see if you that if you want to eat the nash there is no problem. The issue to be is if you do IT TO IN ORDER TO BE BUT IF you do it before you want TO EAT ASH THEN THERE IS NO PROBLEM. IT'S NOT CALLED THEN YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED to But if you eat it before before because you want to eat ash. So he says in the beginning of this Then there is no problem of the whole problem is if you want to eat the nash because you want to eat another bro for the mayor that you're supposed to. So he says you're not allowed to only if you want to eat the nash, but if you want to add a you're not allowed to. And he says like it says inv but in it doesn't say that. Let's see what he says in Fore. What is the case of this? We know every time we have so when I'm getting [clears throat] some mashk to say after I drink the mashki I want to eat something to take off the bitterness of the mashk it may be a cookie it may be a pickle whatever so when we eat this we don't have to say Why? Because I don't eat it because I want to eat it. I eat it because I want to take off the bitterness of the mashk. SO IT'S TOUGH TO THE MASHK. WHEN IT'S TOUGH TO THE MASHK, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY IT. As we see in [clears throat] St. Even if you take a little piece of to eat to take off the bitterness OF THE MASH, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY IT'S TOFU. BUT WE KNOW WE DON'T DO THAT. When somebody gives me a mashk to say and there is a cookie on the table. First I take the cookie I say minimizes. I give a little bite and I eat. Then I say shahhatle. I drink the mashka. And after the mashka I eat this the leftover of the cookie. Why do I have to say I'm a little piss before? Why don't they say like the you say and then you don't say because it's to the I want you to see. So he says for inim from the cookie menu. HERE IS NOT FOR THE SO IT'S BETTER to be mive AND HERE BY THE because I want to say not to be in the since this is the the when I fight on the mash. Therefore, he says in sim >> [clears throat] >> So therefore, if I want to add a [clears throat] even without being Muslim for in any case since it's another it's better to say first to eat a little bit and then to eat the the mash and say so therefore let's go back now to our dinner by he wants to eat an ash after kesh before washing for the suda let's say if he would eat the nash in middle of the suda he wouldn't say but would that be the maybe not over there I said and this I say HERE THERE'S A PROBLEM. But he says there is a problem. Why is there a problem? Isaiah which is not part of so in this there is a between the shal and the and that's the whole pill here in he says the like the where do we have SO LET'S SEE WHAT HE SAYS further in. Let's say you eat a fruit in middle of the you have to say but after you eat the fruit you don't have to say be the fusses Because the B as a Muslim is mighty the Bushes that you ate the middle of the but the minority that you said in the beginning IS NOT MADE TO THE fruit cuz it's not part of the Suda. So better to eat the fruit after benching because if you eat this the fruit after benching you have one more you say not only you also say so therefore the shal says better leave it for after the meal after benching And then you will say and we don't care about you don't want to add that you have don't have to because here it is because the benching and the is not the IT'S INCLUDED IN THE MEAL. So you could say it later and it's not the issue OF that's what the shalom says. But the says no, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO add a because whatever you eat IN THE MEAL, YOU'RE POTTER. AND NOW when you say it later, you're adding. So that's why the continues. So how is the so he says you should do like the if you are missing you want to add the leave the foot till after your benching and then you'll say and that's even without that you have to be mim for mayor Boris especially So he'sing like the shalom not why is he passing like the shalom night not like so he has a long [clears throat] and he's bringing Everything that theim say about it starting from the door of Hashem and then other and from them it looks like they say like the shalom not like so therefore after the fears in the long People do like the shalom saying THEM EATING IT BEFORE THE suda or after the suda is the same thing. You could be poor by in middle of the suda and you're doing a special if you do it after benching or before washing. So he says he says that from all those people looks like the the shalom. Therefore, Fore since in all this it looks like the shal therefore alcohol I'm going to give like the shalom may say you could rely on the shalom. So therefore he passes that you could leave the fruit for after benching especially if it's so we see [laughter] because he says that if you want to add the for Mayor Bes if you want to eat it before the or after there is a issue of so we don't know exactly which one he wrote later the one in sim or the sim enragement test he says you could be make like the shalom enragement [clears throat] enragement test he says you shouldn't make it it's a is like the magnaf says So in general we wouldn't know which which one was written after but since we have enragement test that after he wrote the test that you're not allowed to he had a long to prove from all this that they hold like the shalom and he says that you could do like the shalom. SO we understand from that that V that he was pastoring like the shalom against the Morgan of Rome is later after he wrote the contra and he came to the decision that we are allowed to comes out that finally all three reasons that we have mentioned that you are not supposed to intern after kesh before washing for the sha we could still do it. The first thing is that you would need with the appetite proper appetite. So he says it's only a mitzvah and bear of pesaries then there is a issue. So if someone does it don't stop him. Second reason is because it's aime of bread. So he says since now I want to eat the nash and later the bread it's not a den of demon. The third reason because the says that it is a den of issue. So since the shalot doesn't hold like that and all the looks like the by them like the shalom so we shouldn't worry about it. So finally even if you want to eat the nash before the bed eating not before because you want to eat it now but what you eat another few because it is Because if you eat the Nash before the you have to say and then so you have two more. So don't worry about it. We could rely on the shalom. But there is still a different if this Nash is a misanus or it is only a regular Nash that you have to say on it or what is the different because when you eat the Nash there is a fourth thing. You're not eating the right after the kesh. There is a deen that if you make kesh and after the kdish you go out in the front yard and you come back in your kesh didn't help. You have to make kdish again because you didn't wash you made. The fact that we always go to the kitchen to wash and so we go to another room is before because we thought when we made the kish that we are going to wash there. So since so we wanted to to wash there. So we don't have a problem with going to a second place because the second place I thought about it but if you say go out of the house then there is a problem. Therefore, we have a problem. Sukus. If we want to go wash somewhere else in the courtyard from the suk and then we go back in, it's going outside then there is a half sec. The kitty shouldn't help. So there is waste. If it's near the sukia, whatever it is, but there is a problem. So if we eat a nash of [clears throat] a or do or and then we go wash then it may be a it says right way. So if you finish kish then you want to do something else even YOU STAY IN THE SAME HOME BUT YOU DO something else so it's a half sec the kish didn't help you're not allowed to do something else because you're supposed the children right away. It doesn't say the sh but if you do something else it's a half sec. So the same thing if you eat a nash and then you going around or whatever it may be a sec that's all if the nash is shak or ad or but if the nash is a gishmak a piece of cake then it's no f because if you eat after the kdish the misanus this is enough to be considered as a mockimo as the explaining for the inim. Fore cake. reve you drink another cup of wine. It's already sudo. So you don't have to worry for kisham sudo. After you eat the cake, you could go out in the courtyard and then come back and then wash and there is no problem of a sec because right after kish you eat the nash which is misanus. But if the kiddish the manach is shackle or ado or and then you go out of the house you didn't have a problem by eating the nash as we discussed till now but you have a problem that you went out of the house and there is a between kesh and the shudo. So then if you want to eat other nash, you could eat the nash but right on the same space and then right go to the washing the hands for the suda and not be having a big. It's all clear understood. And you're learning and now you're learning >> from uh from all of this comes out that is saying that you're allowed to do. It doesn't say he says but you see He doesn't say just that says more than that that if there is he doesn't say only not to be and not to be mas [clears throat] so it looks that the mas it looks like is later and it looks like this is the masone that you could do it especially on chabases He says there is certainly no problem. >> Is that good between Friday night and Saturday? >> No. not to copy this >> pes there is harder that you're not allowed to eat and there's a whole controversy what are we not allowed to eat a sud in the last 3 hours we're not allowed to eat hummets because it's after we're not allowed to eat matzah because Araf is not allowed to eat matzah. So he says the only is that we're not allowed to eat matzah that theoretically you could eat of pes but since it lasts 3 hours you shouldn't eat it and this is also not neg to us because we don't eat pesa mat because it's may and may pair with a little other is so we don't eat it. So the whole is not so much but it's a theoretical [clears throat] that in last 3 hours we're not allowed to eat it's a shabas it's only a mitzvah which is not necessarily the but since still after kesh if we want to eat then is the discussed today >> I don't remember that is after was written after >> because the after he wrote me mzes he wrote a long contraction that he is finalizing not like he says in the pim he probably didn't have the chance to correct the pim or we don't have his corrections on the pim so since the contra He's proving not only as he's proving with a long not like the mas in the p of so we understand that v that he is pasing like the oft is written after and then he already pasced like the shalom. Doesn't that only make it feeling part still just that we're not if you want to eat it for we already discussed there is no problem but if you want to eat it for the he said in that but then he raiser in the kund proving with a big has a very long to prove that the hold like the shalom. So according to that his mas inv that it is like the shal and not like the >> could it be the Indian you want to make simply for that food then you could do that but when it's not your intention is not because you want to make you don't want to eat so then you come down >> that's what you say But that's what you say. So let me repeat again what it says in rev after he brings the and after he says that you should be like he's finalizing. So for that's the reason that you want to eat it later for the mayor and you could do it with no problem according to the mas of the alter >> but that doesn't get into the problem of teen it only deals with the we decided that there is no problem even in rich test he says there is two reasons three reasons but there is no problem because when you eat it because you like it there is no problem of shemo, you'll miss the appetite and there's no problem of and there is no problem of the only problem is if you don't eat it for the if you eat it in order to add the mayas. So even in that the masca is there is no problem. What's up in the end of after the brings [clears throat] the he says that even if you don't know what to do better bench and then eat the fruit like it's it's by by theness they give fruit after you finish the whole meal. So you could eat it right away. So then you would say there was people like don't want to go to eat could be then you have to eat say a bid and also before you bench on what you eat after they took away the tables and they left only nash by the dancing. But in any case, when you want to eat after, you could eat. It's better to eat after and not before benching. They give sometimes cream uh ice cream in the end of the meal. So if you want, you better leave it for after benching. You eat it then. That's That's a shalom.